Barbara Boxer

Bengal Buddy

The group in question continues to vote for the party because they see it as their "sugar daddy." It provides them with "entitlements" or "benefits" which, ironically, has kept them in a state of financial and cultural servitude - a situation which they fail to recognize. They see the federal government -and its agent, the Democratic Party - as their benefactor, when it is actually the new plantation system. The Democratic Party benefits from this plantation system because those who are dependant upon the federal government constitute the party's power base.

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shane0911

Where is the popcorn icon?????

LSUMASTERMIND

Dude you are quite the hypocrite. Your rhetoric doesnt surprise me at all. Instead of deal with the issues that I posted you try to attack me personally. Thats fine, I can deal with that. Even if you are a racist or a bigot I can deal with that. That doesnt effect my life, its really your problem. But I will always address your hypocrisy. You had nothing to say about the articles i posted, because you probably dont have a problem with the content.
No rhetoric has been sold to me for 30-40 years. I'm only 28. I make my own decisions, I agree and disagree with both parties on various issues. But I wont ever be in a party that continually defines me by my color and uses race as a wedge issue. Maybe you are ok with that and again thats your problem. I dont really care. African Americans vote for one party because of the bullshyt racist who cleary show that they are racist in the republican party. Starting with Rush Limbaugh who elected republican officials dont even have the courage to stand up to and push back on his racist rhetoric. Pat Buchanan, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck.. These are the leaders of a party that you think black people are supposed to be apart of. Phuck that, you cant address that issue, you wont even admit the truth. Those are the facts, I can post a million racist comments from all those listed and even more than I listed yesterday. But you wont deal with that fact, you try to attack me personally because thats all you got. But it doesnt effect my life, so you can carry on your hypocrisy and bullshyt rhetoric. I'll be here to push back against your flaming bag of shyt nonsense.

And Welcome back, thumb:
And Thanks for the welcome back. We can continue are love/hate relationship.
Cause somedays I love you and other days I hate you.
Go Figure.

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LSUMASTERMIND

Thats a totally different issue from what is clear racism in the articles I posted. Deal with the facts of the articles, If you can. Instead of making excuses. Deal with the fact that decent black people dont want to be apart of a party that continually has these issues and the self claim leader of the party gets on the radio and spews hate everyday.
Thats the point of me posting those articles. Deal with that if you can?

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shane0911

Uh, you may want to rephrase that because it is exactly what the dems do.



Uh, NONE of these guys have been elected to lead anything. Talking heads sure, hold an office. Sorry, no dice.

LSUMASTERMIND

I have said screw Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton 20 different times on this forum. I dont think I need to say that again. If thats your view of the black community, you need to get out more, if rappers are your view of the black community you need to get out more.

Sharpton and Jackson are shake down artist, who care about their wallet. They show up to the wrong issues and miss the real issues where they could be needed. They display poor leadership and shady characteristics.
They dont represent me or anyone I associate with.

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LSUMASTERMIND

Buchanan helped craft policy in an administration. Lets not talk semantics Shane, deal with the issues I posted instead of this old excuse. None of the elected officials in the party have the balls to stand up to the guy. Especially if he is the featured speaker at Republican elected officials events. I know better, so should you.

I dont have to rephrase anything, you just dont want to admit whats the truth for fear of whatever.

Im not 100% Democrat, but Id never be a republican.
Also show me where I have lied in this thread? If am so wrong.

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shane0911

Who ever said you lied? I am pretty sure I didn't and if you read something that implied that I did I apologize. The issue was/is Barbara Boxer and the comments and or tactics she used to try to get someone to change their stance. I fail to see the relevance of bringing in comments from some bimbos twitter page that are at least 2 weeks old only to say "Oh yeah, well your side does it too!" We know this crap goes on, but it isn't supposed to go on from the seat of an elected official. That is what I see as the "point" or "issue". Did she (Boxer) think her argument would have more weight if she presented a comment from a prominent black man that supported hers while trying to get another prominent black man to see it her way. It was obvious to some of us?

LSUMASTERMIND

I see it both ways, Boxer was wrong in her comments. But so was the guy in his reaction. I just think its funny that repubs will jump on this story, but not the 3 stories I posted which has more to do with just one facebook page. I brought up Limbaugh and others. Oh and Rusty DePass is an republican official. So lets not talk semantics. There is relevance in my first post which was a response to the notion that blacks follow democrats for "entitlement programs"
You know what nevermind

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PURPLE TIGER

I love you man!

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LSUMASTERMIND

Lol you still dont get it. Tell me what social program I have benefited from the Democrats? Other than Early Child Hood Education when I was 3 years old. lol. No one tells me how to vote. You assume you know me, its quite typical that you continue to stereotype me. I have no problem with race my friend, I have been criticized by black people for the amount of white friends I hang out with.
Trust me I know racism still exist and alot of it is directed at my race. Thats how the country started, if you dont remember. But I also realize that many people of many different races are racist. I know alot of black racist that I push back against all the time. The problem is you fail to realize the bigotry that comes out of your own party or you just dont want to admit it, which is fine. I posted examples for everyone to see. Im sure you dont want to address those issues. You continue to be a hypocrite and I'll continue to do the same. I can address mine, something you wont do.
You keep making that excuse about them not being elected officials, I can post examples of republican elected officials racist comments. Otherwise I was just responding to your claim that black people vote democrat for entitlement programs, which is complete bullshyt.

Love you as well.

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red55

Yet they are the voice of conservative America. Where are the republican leaders? Are there republican leaders?

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LSUMASTERMIND

And I really do like you, otherwise I wouldnt even debate with you.

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red55

Absolutely. I grew up in a state that is 30% black, live in a town that is 50% black, and I lived for 19 years in a neighborhood that is 80% black. I've lived around, worked around, and played around black folk all my life and I can tell you one thing about them that you can take to the bank.

There is no such thing as a typical black person.

I find they come rich and poor, admirable and despicable, urban and rural, industrious and lazy, friendly and hostile, smart and stupid, and every degree in between. Pretty much just like white folks.

Sure, generalizations can be drawn about the black community. Political tendencies exist, social styles exist, etc., but one really has to guard against stereotyping an entire community by certain groups. It works the same way in reverse, of course. Not all white folks are rich bigots conspiring to oppress blacks. Lots of folks now semi-isolated in both luxury communities and in ghetto neighborhoods would do well to get out more.

This Boxer/Alford business seems a lot less like racism to me than it does about insensitivity on one side and oversensitivity on the other.

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shaqazoolu

A better question is why are so many people so desperate to point to a party leader at all. I thought the whole point of a democracy was to decide things with a majority vote. Who cares if there is a face of a party...It's almost like you want this country to be divided. There shouldn't be a democratic team vs republican team. Both parties need to stop acting like 12 year olds and realize that we all live here. One party isn't going to fix everything and one party isn't solely responsible for breaking everything.

I don't subscribe to any party. I have a brain that works perfectly fine. I don't understand why everyone is so hellbent on finding someone to hold responsible for everything that is wrong. YOU are responsible. I am perfectly capable of making my own decisions and telling people how I feel about things. I don't need a face on TV telling people how I think for me. In fact, I hate that everyone is brainwashed to think that way.

Red isn't Keith Olbermann and I'm not Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself people. Stereotyping is good for comedy, not politics.

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mctiger

MM, I apologize if you took my remarks personally. I was not implying that you agree with the "shake down artists", merely that your comment about the need for black-oriented organizations triggered other thoughts. Nor was I implying that I believe the "shake down artists" speak for the "black community." Quite the contrary; that's why its frustrating to see the mics and cameras get thrust in their faces every time they open their mouths. The mainstream media tries to make us think they speak for all African-Americans, but what they are doing is slowing the progress of race relations in this country.

I don't know why you brought rappers into the conversation; I certainly didn't.

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islstl

I wouldn't say you should be a Republican, but you certainly should question the party you're in and whether they are really doing anything beneficial to african-americans.

Suppression is a bitch. Democrats are experts at it.

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LSUMASTERMIND

Lets make this clear, I dont vote for democrats because Im black. I vote because I agree with them more often than I do with republicans. if I were to switch parties, I would be an independent. No democrat has ever suppresed me in any manner. I dont care about social and entitlement programs because I dont benefit from them. I think welfare, food stamps, and other social programs should be reformed again so people couldnt be on them no more than 2 years or less. Those programs dont help me, my tax dollars go towards that as well. It pisses me off to go to the market and see people with 2 baskets full of food and pull out a food stamp card at the register. I went to school and worked hard so I wouldnt have to be on those programs. Im still in grad school right now and I am applying to law school after I finish my grad program. I dont use race as an excuse, because I wasnt raised that way. No one in my family does that. I rather work hard for what I want than to be given a little of what someone thinks I need to survive. However, no one is going to tell me that I need to be in the republican party when they continually discriminates against my race and miniorities. I refuse to be in an organization where I an continually insulted. Also, no one is going to tell me to get over certain aspects of history, like racism, segregation, slavery, lynching, and bigotry. I dont use that as a crutch, because if i did I wouldnt be where I am today. But i will not sit around like it doesnt exist or never has. Ive experienced alot of racism in my life and heard horror stories, like how my grandfather was beaten by white police officers when he came back from WWII in his army uniform. But i have used that as motivation, not an excuse. Yes there is alot of reverse racism that goes on in this country. But history tilts towards minorities suffering more of it than other race. I have many friends of different backgrounds and my best friend is white(lol, cliche'), but its true.
So I really dont care what people think here about what racism really is. To deny history and facts is bs. But its there right to do that, it doesnt effect my life.

Thats my rant for the day.

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SabanFan

Harry Alford is hilarious. Glenn Beck, on his radio show, asked Alford what set him off. Alford replied "I'm trying to debate cap and trade and she wants to take me to Colored Town".

By the way. We should stop acting as though Mastermind is our resident black guy. He's more conservative than a lot of posters here. He just views things from his own perspective (as do I).

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shane0911

So just a question here, not making any type of accusation but would like your opinion? What do you say about Condie Rice, Clarence Thomas, JC Watts, Alford, all very prominent republicans that happen to be black. Are they crazy? misguided? traitors to their race because they are members of the party that are outright blatent racist?

LSUMASTERMIND

No, I wouldnt label them traitors, because I have alot of respect for people like Condie Rice, JF Watts, and others. I have no respect for Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes and some others. Its more about the individual aspects of their philosophy then what party they belong too. Maybe you missed the part where I said I dont vote for democrats because they are black, I vote because I agree with more of their policies than republicans. A philosophy difference Clarence Thomas for example, couple of months back he said people are to concerned with personal liberties and rights. That made my head spin, the irony of a supreme court justice making that statement, through me for a loop.
But I would definitely label them misguided, maybe they dont mind being insulted. But i'll be damn if I am apart of something and constantly insulted. I believe I have worked to hard to sit and endure something like that.

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shaqazoolu

GRATS MM! YOU WIN!

It always seems to come back to that, doesn't it. I totally just gave your sig an internet high-5.

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PURPLE TIGER

Help me out MM...

You vote Democrat because..."I agree with them more often than I do with republicans" but then you make the following comments...I dont care about social and entitlement programs because I dont benefit from them. I think welfare, food stamps, and other social programs should be reformed again so people couldnt be on them no more than 2 years or less. It pisses me off to go to the market and see people with 2 baskets full of food and pull out a food stamp card at the register. I went to school and worked hard so I wouldnt have to be on those programs. I dont use race as an excuse, because I wasnt raised that way. I rather work hard for what I want than to be given a little of what someone thinks I need to survive."

You do realize you just agreed with almost every Republican and very few Democrats with those comments...don't you?

You also mentioned..."No democrat has ever suppresed me in any manner." "I refuse to be in an organization where I an continually insulted." "Im not 100% Democrat, but Id never be a republican." "African Americans vote for one party because of..."

Don't you realize the heads of the Democratic party fully understand and continuously sell this argument/mindset to keep those votes in their back pocket? They realize absolutely nothing they do will change that so your vote is taken for granted. In exchange, what have African Americans/blacks received from them? A few token positions?

Have we seen the quality of life for this segment of America dramatically increase? You know the answer is no. Can we truly blame that on the racist Republicans? You can try to convince yourself of that but I believe you're smarter than that.

You (or anyone else) can go through life and never vote for a Republican. That's your right and I'm glad you have it. But to say one party is completely to blame and the other has never suppresed you is ridiculous and I think you know that.

Voting Independent/other is a wonderful thing but I seriously doubt we'll see that occur during our lifetime. Once again, that's your right but please don't try to continuously lay fault with the wrong group when the person who can bring positive change is guy who stares at you in the mirror everyday.

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SabanFan

I agree with Thomas. I don't think he's saying there are too many personal liberties and rights. It's just that too many people act like they have the freedom to do any damn thing they want to because "they have rights".

I learn a lot about peoples' bad sides from watching "COPS".

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LSUMASTERMIND

You still dont understand it, no matter what you believe Republicans can do better, I still wont be insulted like that. I never said Republicans are the blame of all problems of minorities. My quality of life is fine and I dont have to be insulted to gain that.

You are so responding as if these are facts, these are your strong opinions. And you continue this rhetoric where you generalize why African Americans vote for democrats, which just simply isnt true.

Also, I never said republicans are the blame, I said I dont agree with alot of their positions.

your problem is you cant differentiate an individual vs the race of that individual.
Im not laying fault for anything, show me where I layed my problems on republicans? I dont make excuses, thats what you should have taken from my post, but you didnt. You continue to defend republicans.

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