Barbara Boxer

Krypto

Same can be said about the Dems...

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Krypto

I do agree with the statement earlier, that both parties don't care about the normal people anymore. I am tired of both parties.

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PURPLE TIGER

This is probably why most demographic data show that groups don't vote in unison. There is no perfect party or one perfect answer to any question. Knowing this, don't you have any concern when one demographic votes 90+% for one party?

I'm not trying to be an ass or stir the pot with this question. I simply want to know why this group so strongly supports one party when history proves it has not improved their situation.

Are they being misled by this party? Are they being misled by a few vocal leaders who are benefitting from fame and fortune? Competition is good for the consumer. Don't you think there's a better chance for improvement if you can have a voice across the aisle?

This country has remained relatively moderate due to the two-party system. Some vote party lines but many more sway the vote depending on the issues. This has worked well in our history. Maybe any group that has always voted for a single party is suffering the consequences of their one-sided support.

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PURPLE TIGER

They were created because there was a time when they were needed.

Can you tell me when they will end? Should we force the administration to have deadlines for the end of their programs similar to how they demanded Bush provide a completion date for the war in Iraq?

Hey Obama...what's the completion date for Affirmative Action? How about Febraury 2, 2010? That should be more than enough time.

After all, if we can fix health care in two months and solve the economic crisis in six months, can't we resolve social programs immediately as well?

Can we solve social issues quickly?...sure! Will you continue to buy votes if you solve social issues quickly?...Hell NO! I guess we have our answer why these programs will never end.

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mctiger

(See boldprint I inserted) The very thought that popped into my head when I read MM's post, Purple. Your complete answer is fantastic, great job!

Like I said about Dem's and Rep's caring only about their own power earlier, there are also a number of people out there that are using racism as their own personal power base. Racism certainly still exists in America, but if you listen to these people (led of course, by Mr. Sharpton and Mr. Jackson), you'd think it was still 1965. Ironic how these guys profess their love and admiration of Dr. King, but always forget that the most enduring message he left us was to strive for a day when color doesn't matter. To these people, it's all that matters.

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Bengal Buddy

The group in question continues to vote for the party because they see it as their "sugar daddy." It provides them with "entitlements" or "benefits" which, ironically, has kept them in a state of financial and cultural servitude - a situation which they fail to recognize. They see the federal government -and its agent, the Democratic Party - as their benefactor, when it is actually the new plantation system. The Democratic Party benefits from this plantation system because those who are dependant upon the federal government constitute the party's power base.

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shane0911

Where is the popcorn icon?????

LSUMASTERMIND

Dude you are quite the hypocrite. Your rhetoric doesnt surprise me at all. Instead of deal with the issues that I posted you try to attack me personally. Thats fine, I can deal with that. Even if you are a racist or a bigot I can deal with that. That doesnt effect my life, its really your problem. But I will always address your hypocrisy. You had nothing to say about the articles i posted, because you probably dont have a problem with the content.
No rhetoric has been sold to me for 30-40 years. I'm only 28. I make my own decisions, I agree and disagree with both parties on various issues. But I wont ever be in a party that continually defines me by my color and uses race as a wedge issue. Maybe you are ok with that and again thats your problem. I dont really care. African Americans vote for one party because of the bullshyt racist who cleary show that they are racist in the republican party. Starting with Rush Limbaugh who elected republican officials dont even have the courage to stand up to and push back on his racist rhetoric. Pat Buchanan, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck.. These are the leaders of a party that you think black people are supposed to be apart of. Phuck that, you cant address that issue, you wont even admit the truth. Those are the facts, I can post a million racist comments from all those listed and even more than I listed yesterday. But you wont deal with that fact, you try to attack me personally because thats all you got. But it doesnt effect my life, so you can carry on your hypocrisy and bullshyt rhetoric. I'll be here to push back against your flaming bag of shyt nonsense.

And Welcome back, thumb:
And Thanks for the welcome back. We can continue are love/hate relationship.
Cause somedays I love you and other days I hate you.
Go Figure.

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LSUMASTERMIND

Thats a totally different issue from what is clear racism in the articles I posted. Deal with the facts of the articles, If you can. Instead of making excuses. Deal with the fact that decent black people dont want to be apart of a party that continually has these issues and the self claim leader of the party gets on the radio and spews hate everyday.
Thats the point of me posting those articles. Deal with that if you can?

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shane0911

Uh, you may want to rephrase that because it is exactly what the dems do.



Uh, NONE of these guys have been elected to lead anything. Talking heads sure, hold an office. Sorry, no dice.

LSUMASTERMIND

I have said screw Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton 20 different times on this forum. I dont think I need to say that again. If thats your view of the black community, you need to get out more, if rappers are your view of the black community you need to get out more.

Sharpton and Jackson are shake down artist, who care about their wallet. They show up to the wrong issues and miss the real issues where they could be needed. They display poor leadership and shady characteristics.
They dont represent me or anyone I associate with.

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LSUMASTERMIND

Buchanan helped craft policy in an administration. Lets not talk semantics Shane, deal with the issues I posted instead of this old excuse. None of the elected officials in the party have the balls to stand up to the guy. Especially if he is the featured speaker at Republican elected officials events. I know better, so should you.

I dont have to rephrase anything, you just dont want to admit whats the truth for fear of whatever.

Im not 100% Democrat, but Id never be a republican.
Also show me where I have lied in this thread? If am so wrong.

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shane0911

Who ever said you lied? I am pretty sure I didn't and if you read something that implied that I did I apologize. The issue was/is Barbara Boxer and the comments and or tactics she used to try to get someone to change their stance. I fail to see the relevance of bringing in comments from some bimbos twitter page that are at least 2 weeks old only to say "Oh yeah, well your side does it too!" We know this crap goes on, but it isn't supposed to go on from the seat of an elected official. That is what I see as the "point" or "issue". Did she (Boxer) think her argument would have more weight if she presented a comment from a prominent black man that supported hers while trying to get another prominent black man to see it her way. It was obvious to some of us?

LSUMASTERMIND

I see it both ways, Boxer was wrong in her comments. But so was the guy in his reaction. I just think its funny that repubs will jump on this story, but not the 3 stories I posted which has more to do with just one facebook page. I brought up Limbaugh and others. Oh and Rusty DePass is an republican official. So lets not talk semantics. There is relevance in my first post which was a response to the notion that blacks follow democrats for "entitlement programs"
You know what nevermind

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PURPLE TIGER

I love you man!

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LSUMASTERMIND

Lol you still dont get it. Tell me what social program I have benefited from the Democrats? Other than Early Child Hood Education when I was 3 years old. lol. No one tells me how to vote. You assume you know me, its quite typical that you continue to stereotype me. I have no problem with race my friend, I have been criticized by black people for the amount of white friends I hang out with.
Trust me I know racism still exist and alot of it is directed at my race. Thats how the country started, if you dont remember. But I also realize that many people of many different races are racist. I know alot of black racist that I push back against all the time. The problem is you fail to realize the bigotry that comes out of your own party or you just dont want to admit it, which is fine. I posted examples for everyone to see. Im sure you dont want to address those issues. You continue to be a hypocrite and I'll continue to do the same. I can address mine, something you wont do.
You keep making that excuse about them not being elected officials, I can post examples of republican elected officials racist comments. Otherwise I was just responding to your claim that black people vote democrat for entitlement programs, which is complete bullshyt.

Love you as well.

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red55

Yet they are the voice of conservative America. Where are the republican leaders? Are there republican leaders?

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LSUMASTERMIND

And I really do like you, otherwise I wouldnt even debate with you.

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red55

Absolutely. I grew up in a state that is 30% black, live in a town that is 50% black, and I lived for 19 years in a neighborhood that is 80% black. I've lived around, worked around, and played around black folk all my life and I can tell you one thing about them that you can take to the bank.

There is no such thing as a typical black person.

I find they come rich and poor, admirable and despicable, urban and rural, industrious and lazy, friendly and hostile, smart and stupid, and every degree in between. Pretty much just like white folks.

Sure, generalizations can be drawn about the black community. Political tendencies exist, social styles exist, etc., but one really has to guard against stereotyping an entire community by certain groups. It works the same way in reverse, of course. Not all white folks are rich bigots conspiring to oppress blacks. Lots of folks now semi-isolated in both luxury communities and in ghetto neighborhoods would do well to get out more.

This Boxer/Alford business seems a lot less like racism to me than it does about insensitivity on one side and oversensitivity on the other.

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shaqazoolu

A better question is why are so many people so desperate to point to a party leader at all. I thought the whole point of a democracy was to decide things with a majority vote. Who cares if there is a face of a party...It's almost like you want this country to be divided. There shouldn't be a democratic team vs republican team. Both parties need to stop acting like 12 year olds and realize that we all live here. One party isn't going to fix everything and one party isn't solely responsible for breaking everything.

I don't subscribe to any party. I have a brain that works perfectly fine. I don't understand why everyone is so hellbent on finding someone to hold responsible for everything that is wrong. YOU are responsible. I am perfectly capable of making my own decisions and telling people how I feel about things. I don't need a face on TV telling people how I think for me. In fact, I hate that everyone is brainwashed to think that way.

Red isn't Keith Olbermann and I'm not Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself people. Stereotyping is good for comedy, not politics.

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