Why I am thankful for President Obama

LEGACY TIGER · 03-09-2010, 12:38 PM

The solution, just do this to make yourself feel better each and every day.

When you turn on your computer, open up a new file - call it President Barack Obama - send it 2 your recycling bin - empty recycle bin - PC will ask if you want to delete President Barack Obama - Firmly click "yes" - feel better now, good - tomorrow we will work on the rest of congress and the senate.

TigerFan23 · 03-09-2010, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PURPLE TIGER

You said these were "failed wars". It doesn't matter who started them, how much they cost, or if they're finished. You simply spouted off that they are "failed wars". You obviously don't want to point out any successes as this is all political to you.

I believe many of our own soldiers would disagree with you and I would value their opinion over yours as I'm pretty certain their contributions to this country (and the world) are far greater than yours.

I 100% disagree with the assessment that Iraq was a "failure". Landmark elections were just held. Let's at least wait until we've left and how well the country is able to hold up on its own before we decide whether it is a "success" or a "failure".

If you ask me, a failure would constitute pulling all our troops out as quickly as possible and leaving the country in worse shape than it was before. By all accounts (and my own personal experience), I'd say it wasn't a failure at all. And I think the same should be applied to Afghanistan, when the time comes.

SabanFan · 03-09-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PURPLE TIGER

Your opinion does not equal fact. You should attempt to hold yourself accountable to the same rules you demand of everyone else on this site.

This.

gumborue · 03-10-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TigerFan23

I 100% disagree with the assessment that Iraq was a "failure".

it is debatable that there has been or will be any positive result from the war. for me thats not worth the $ and effort that could have been expended elsewhere.

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

it is debatable that there has been or will be any positive result from the war. for me thats not worth the $ and effort that could have been expended elsewhere.

Ditto.

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by red55

1. We are on schedule to exit Iraq instead of digging the hole deeper. The Iraqis are taking care of their own chit, now that they have to.

2. We are taking the fight back to the Taliban in Afghanistan after letting that one almost slip away from us. We are finallly hitting them hard in Pakistan instead of letting them seek refuge there.

3. Bush's recession did not become a depression. Unemployment is under 10 again and dropping, the stock market has rebounded amazingly from 2008, the dollar is stronger, the finance industry is paying back its government loans with interest.

These are the big ones. Now, . . . list for me his "failures", please.

1. On schedule is an accomplishment?

2. Following the Taliban all over the F'in map is an accomplishment?

3. It wasn't Bush. It was a policy depression created by FED b/c of easy credit and spending. They spent more and borrowed more to prop up pricing. Which will collapse again in the future. The dollar is stronger than what, a year ago? Oh that really counts. And we don't know who "everyone" is paying back. Not to mention what assets we paid for a what price. Accomplishment?

00Tiger · 03-10-2010, 09:05 AM

So the dollar is stronger than what?

What we base the strength of our dollar on is by the world economy, exchange rates, and gold.

Well gold is through the roof, and the world economy sucks so bad there are countries in Europe right now threatening default. So yeah, I guess the dollar is stronger, but only figuratively. Once the rest of the world economy picks back up and inflation rises to the moon and taxes increase to pay for Washington spending, the dollar will be worthless. We better hope that China holds onto the treasury bills that they currently own too, or that will even further depress the dollar in the world market.

LSUsupaFan · 03-10-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 00Tiger

So the dollar is stronger than what?

What we base the strength of our dollar on is by the world economy, exchange rates, and gold.

Well gold is through the roof, and the world economy sucks so bad there are countries in Europe right now threatening default. So yeah, I guess the dollar is stronger, but only figuratively. Once the rest of the world economy picks back up and inflation rises to the moon and taxes increase to pay for Washington spending, the dollar will be worthless. We better hope that China holds onto the treasury bills that they currently own too, or that will even further depress the dollar in the world market.

China has to hold on to their treasuries. Where else are they going to park 1 trillion dollars? They also cannot afford to have the dollar tank. Their entire economy is basedo n us buying their cheap crap. If we can't but it they can't eat.

00Tiger · 03-10-2010, 09:39 AM

China has already sold back over 50billion in bonds since january 1. I don't think it is out of the question that they get out of US treasuries altogether. US-China relations are very strained especially with the US-Taiwain arms deal.

flabengal · 03-10-2010, 09:48 AM

I can't think of any period in history where the two greatest superpowers on the planet didn't have some sort of confrontation. Allowing the Chinese to have the ability to wreck the US economy is a terrible idea and the idea that they would never do it is stretching it.

In most war game scenarios that I have read about the US military makes the assumption that China forces the dollar down considerably although never to zero.

LSUsupaFan · 03-10-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 00Tiger

China has already sold back over 50billion in bonds since january 1. I don't think it is out of the question that they get out of US treasuries altogether. US-China relations are very strained especially with the US-Taiwain arms deal.

50 billion is nothing. Where would the Chinese park their trillion dollars? There is nothing as safe as the treasury. Nothing. No debate.

Why would they do it. It would wreck their economy. Completely.

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-10-2010, 12:02 PM

along these lines, only kucinich could be so liberal as to make the pubs side with obama....

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) – In a test of congressional support for President Barack Obama's new Afghanistan strategy, lawmakers are set to vote on Wednesday on a resolution that would direct him to pull U.S. forces out of the war.

The resolution by liberal Democratic Representative Dennis Kucinich is not expected to pass. But it could be an important indicator of how Obama's Democrats feel about the war, particularly ahead of November congressional elections in which Republicans are expected to make gains.

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Republicans, whose leaders sided with Obama in his surge strategy, are expected to mostly oppose Kucinich's measure.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100310/...n_usa_congress

this may placate the left wing of the democratic party, but will do nothing to win over the moderates. the moderates are the ones getting fed up and the party is losing. this could make the congressional elections even worse for the dems. i think it could make obama to appear moderate on foreign affairs by opposing the liberal base of the party, but right now the dems need to concentrate on not losing congressional and senate seats.

SabanFan · 03-10-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OkieTiger_KATT

along these lines, only kucinich could be so liberal as to make the pubs side with obama....

House to vote on pullout from Afghanistan - Yahoo! News

this may placate the left wing of the democratic party, but will do nothing to win over the moderates. the moderates are the ones getting fed up and the party is losing. this could make the congressional elections even worse for the dems. i think it could make obama to appear moderate on foreign affairs by opposing the liberal base of the party, but right now the dems need to concentrate on not losing congressional and senate seats.

Playing politics while troops are in harm's way is not going to sit well with many of the folks.

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-10-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SabanFan

Playing politics while troops are in harm's way is not going to sit well with many of the folks.

i really think this could hurt the dems in congress. i dont think it will have any effect on obama. it may piss off the liberals, but when it comes down to it, it wont effect him cause he isnt up for reelection in the fall. however, the dems in congress that are this is not helping.

right now, the congressional dems....

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SabanFan

Playing politics while troops are in harm's way is not going to sit well with many of the folks.

Removing the troops from harms way will sit well with alot of people. Just not the RINOs ....

SabanFan · 03-10-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

Removing the troops from harms way will sit well with alot of people. Just not the RINOs ....

Not the point. They are submitting the bill knowing it has no chance. They are fiddling while Rome burns.

Only uninformed nimrods want the troops out prematurely.

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SabanFan

Not the point. They are submitting the bill knowing it has no chance. They are fiddling while Rome burns.

Only uninformed nimrods want the troops out prematurely.

Only uninformed nimrods want the troops in an un-declared war costing over $1 Trillion dollars a year.

Name the benefits....

alfredeneuman · 03-10-2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

Only uninformed nimrods want the troops in an un-declared war costing over $1 Trillion dollars a year.

Name the benefits....

Other than a few cents in gas and some time in airport security, what do you care? It's easy to sit in your own righteous indignation filth and wring your hands of the whole thing because you don't support it. I mean, hell - let's just stop now and bring the boys home.

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alfredeneuman

I mean, hell - let's just stop now and bring the boys home.

I agree.

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-10-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

Name the benefits....

the taliban supports and harbors al qaeda and islamic militants. the terrorists who are intent on blowing us up every chance they get.

going after the taliban = going after terrorists = trying to keep our asses from getting blown up.

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OkieTiger_KATT

the taliban supports and harbors al qaeda and islamic militants. the terrorists who are intent on blowing us up every chance they get.

going after the taliban = going after terrorists = trying to keep our asses from getting blown up.

Squashing an ideology with military force is a waste of time.

occupying land and killing civilians = entices terrorists and encourages enrollment.

Again no benefit.

alfredeneuman · 03-10-2010, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

I agree.

It's funny you have in your signature "Are you a sheep". Read Grossman's "On Combat" and then ask yourself that same question.

alfredeneuman · 03-10-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

Squashing an ideology with military force is a waste of time.

occupying land and killing civilians = entices terrorists and encourages enrollment.

Again no benefit.

How would you know? How much firsthand knowledge of what goes on in Iraq or Afghansitan on a daily basis do you possess? How much of your time have you invested in counter-insurgency operations?

Rex_B · 03-10-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alfredeneuman

It's funny you have in your signature "Are you a sheep". Read Grossman's "On Combat" and then ask yourself that same question.

I'm about the furthest person from a sheep. Like Red posted once. Nobody claims me

Next..

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-10-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_B

Squashing an ideology with military force is a waste of time.

that is your opinion. many, including me, disagree with you. you asked for a benefit, and imo,squashing those that are intent on killing us is a benefit.

03-09-2010, 12:38 PM	#51
LEGACY TIGER "What did the bird say?" Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 2,507	Re: Why I am thankful for President Obama The solution, just do this to make yourself feel better each and every day. When you turn on your computer, open up a new file - call it President Barack Obama - send it 2 your recycling bin - empty recycle bin - PC will ask if you want to delete President Barack Obama - Firmly click "yes" - feel better now, good - tomorrow we will work on the rest of congress and the senate. __________________ "This is the day that you will remember as the day you almost captured Capt Jack Sparrow"

03-10-2010, 09:05 AM	#57
00Tiger Registered Guest Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 440	Re: Why I am thankful for President Obama So the dollar is stronger than what? What we base the strength of our dollar on is by the world economy, exchange rates, and gold. Well gold is through the roof, and the world economy sucks so bad there are countries in Europe right now threatening default. So yeah, I guess the dollar is stronger, but only figuratively. Once the rest of the world economy picks back up and inflation rises to the moon and taxes increase to pay for Washington spending, the dollar will be worthless. We better hope that China holds onto the treasury bills that they currently own too, or that will even further depress the dollar in the world market. __________________ "We're Surrounded......That Simplifies Our Problem." Chesty Puller Lt. General USMC "The face of a child says it all, especially the mouth part of the face." "If I ever get real rich, I hope I am not real mean to poor people, Like I am now"- Jack Handy

03-10-2010, 09:39 AM	#59
00Tiger Registered Guest Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 440	Re: Why I am thankful for President Obama China has already sold back over 50billion in bonds since january 1. I don't think it is out of the question that they get out of US treasuries altogether. US-China relations are very strained especially with the US-Taiwain arms deal. __________________ "We're Surrounded......That Simplifies Our Problem." Chesty Puller Lt. General USMC "The face of a child says it all, especially the mouth part of the face." "If I ever get real rich, I hope I am not real mean to poor people, Like I am now"- Jack Handy

03-10-2010, 09:48 AM	#60
flabengal Registered Guest Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 693	Re: Why I am thankful for President Obama I can't think of any period in history where the two greatest superpowers on the planet didn't have some sort of confrontation. Allowing the Chinese to have the ability to wreck the US economy is a terrible idea and the idea that they would never do it is stretching it. In most war game scenarios that I have read about the US military makes the assumption that China forces the dollar down considerably although never to zero.

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