Saban Recruiting concerns....

TigerBait3

Ill take that bet since its the dead period.

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tirk

i disagree. upon further review.... this line gave up the fewest sacks in the nation or at least close to it plus the running game was simply lackluster at first due to the JV/AB combo that weighed 900 lbs collectively.

KW showed it wasnt really the oline as much as the runners themselves. They even made JV look great tonight.

this line deserves a ton of credit this year. one of the surprising bright spots that was supposed to be a weakness.


Maybe this les fella has some influence from his oline experience like st prick with the defense? searels is gone though.

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TigerBait3

The word right now is Steele from FSU, who has been offered. To add to the recruting thing, he was Rivals recruiter of the year a couple of years ago.

Oh, and dont look for Phelon Jones to go anywhere.

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CParso

Here's how I figure it. Every year, there will be 5 or so recruits that LSU & Bama are going to be in a tight battle for. We will come out on top most of the time, but Saban will steal a few from us - one or two a year, IMO.

Miles will sell the kids on playing close to home, parents love him, great atmosphere here with lots of academic support. Saban will sell the kids on the NFL. He'll use those other things as well, but the kids that he will steal - it will be because all they care about is getting to the NFL.

As far as Saban coming in and taking some of our staff... I wouldn't be suprised to see Jimbo go, not because Jimbo wants to work under Saban but because Jimbo wants to go somewhere where he can be the OC again. Miles has completely taken over (with very good results, I should add). I don't see Searles going though, and I think he would be a much bigger hit if he were to leave. Like Tirk was saying, he's done a pretty good job and not only that, but I think he's probably more important to recruiting than Jimbo. Plus I don't think we want 3 coaches on Bama's staff all with ties to La highschools.

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bayou_bandit74

If we want a player that Saban wants Id play dirty. I would play excerpts of him denying he will leave LSU and Miami. How commited he is to the job at hand and the team he is with. Remind the parents of what kind of a man he is. We know he is a great coach. I agree, I think Searles would be a much bigger loss. I think Saban will play dirty and try to take as many off the LSU staff as he could to show his influence.

SabanFan

FSU and Michigan were cherry picking top LA talent when we were losing and they were at the top of the heap. Those days are gone. B2B 11 win seasons topped off by demolition of supposedly top programs does a lot to sway impressionable 17 and 18 year olds.

As far as Nick's phone call, it wasn't to McKnight. But, he did give a ringy dingy to JT Curtis. And that's a SabanFan verified fact.

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CParso

I would not consider that playing dirty to show kids what kind of man Saban is. Saban will certainly play dirty though - he has already started. He announced on the day of our Sugar Bowl game that he would be our division rival's new coach to get as much exposure as possible. Then in his press conference, he talked about how he won the SECCG in his 2nd year at LSU and how it was his players playing in this game. He will likely come in & try to take a few coaches...

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LSUDeek

Again, this is a dead period for recruiting. Saban (or anyone else, for that matter) is not allowed to call players until this weekend.

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Fishhead

That's a done deal. Word has it Jimbo going to FSU, not UA. The Steele to UA is fact, the Jimbo to FSU is heresay.

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TigerSnarl

IMO, it would seem hard for Saban to come in an make that much of a difference this year with all the negative PR he has gotten in the last 24 hours. The kids (and parents) are on the ESPN site and see the title 'The Lying Game' under his picture. Trust is important in the recruiting process. Sure, he may be able to sway a few kids who were considering Bama anyway. I just have a hard time believing that he will change some star player's mind who was headed somewhere else. He only has a month.

Next year will be the key. And I think that depends on how the bama does on the field. I believe most of their tough games are at home next year.

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red55

OK, then he got Jimmy Sexton to call!

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CParso

We'll see what happens this year, but I think we are focusing a little more long term. He'll likely make things interesting with a few recruits - maybe not even with LSU, but AU or someone this year. I think in the end, he'll get a couple guys that make the class better, but not amazing.

Yes, Nick is getting some negative press right now but you have to believe he's going to talk to the families and give his side of the story, which of course will make him look like a great person.

As for next year, I don't think the W/L column matters as much as how the team looks in their losses. If they look like they were close, that will be enough for many recruits to give them consideration. The sad thing is, Bama is going to be better next year almost regardless of who the coach is and Saban is going to get way too much credit.

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bayou_bandit74

I hated hearing that piece of crap talk about his LSU years earlier this morning in his press confernece. Id hope that he has trouble recruiting, but lets be honest here. These big time kids dream about the NFL. Saban has NFL ties and while at LSU put a ton of players in the league. People have a short term memory, they will forget how worthless a man he is. I hope Im wrong. I hope it all bites him in the a$$.

I also go a lot to a MMA board(like the UFC, for those who dont know), board. A Ohio St fan asked me why I hate Saban so much right now. I said because him coming into our conference to coach a major rival is a serious slap in the face to the LSU program. Especially considering he left us just two years ago because he wanted the challenge of the NFL.

TigerBait3

Yeah, but you can text and email them.

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TigerBait3

ESPN and the talking heads will change to another subject once one comes up, and all will be forgotten. Not everyone hates Nick like the media and LSU fans do.

Look at Bob Huggins, he has an 18 wheeler of trouble with him and he is one of the best recruiters in college basketball.

HS players could care less about Saban leaving the Dolphins.

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CParso

Saban may be making things interesting already with McKnight & Jones.

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bayou_bandit74

I really hope they dont bite. I dont think they would, but you never know.

I wonder if he will also try to steal Jones from us, to keep him in Alabama?

geauxgeauxhon

Here's a question. I keep hearing about Saban's NFL ties. How much damange did he do to those ties in the past week?

From everything I've read and heard, he's seen as someone who quickly realized he couldn't make it in the NFL and bolted in the most weaselish way possible back to the college ranks. I've been (pleasantly) surprised at the amount of distain coming out of the NFL about him, his tenure at Miami, and his antics over the last week. Will that hurt his ties to the league? Is that something that might be a factor long term when it comes to using that as a recruiting point?

CParso

Its not like Saban was a complete failure in the NFL. Kids will believe him that his heart just wasn't in it - as they should because it is true. They will see that he knows what it takes to be an NFL player and he will of course tell them that he can make them one. All of that media disdain is not really going to make a difference either. All that matters is what kids think when they meet him, and he will have the chance to clear all that up at that point. Whether Nick was good or bad in the NFL doesn't change the fact that he was an NFL head coach - and from a recruits perspective, what better way to get ready for an NFL career than by playing under one right now. Whatever NFL ties Saban has strained will not be enough to stop people from drafting his players. They still respect his ability to recognize talent I assume - they just don't like him as a person.

Fortunately, most players are not particularly happy under him. Saban had and will have high rates of turnover - while this doesn't directly affect us, I think it can be used in recruiting because players here are much happier under Miles now. Also, Miles has shown he can get our guys drafted & coach them up, so it's not like Saban has that argument over us.

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bayou_bandit74

Im sure he burned a lot of bridges with NFL execs. Honestly, thats besides the point. Saban turns out very good players. Right now he wont quite have the talent he had at LSU, but in time Im sure he will bring in big time talent. The NFL is a business, they may dislike Saban and the man he is. Fact is, he produces good players, so they will work with him with a smile when need be. I just hope karma bites him and he doesnt have success. That the players and parents realize the man he is and stay away from the Bama program.

geauxgeauxhon

Thanks. I guess I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the argument that Saban's ties to the NFL will help him get players into the NFL, and that that may give him an edge over Miles. But the NFL goes where the talent is, and so long as LSU continues to have a top ranked program and posts 11 wins, so long as the coach turns out good players (and I give Miles the edge here, JR seems to have benefitted tremendously for example) the NFL will take a good look at our players no matter who the coach is. I can understand the NFL argument if you were talking about a rinky dink second tier program that has to beg pro scouts to...

Oh, wait. Never mind. Blame it on sleep deprivation.

whodatnot

Who can list any blue chips that NEVER would play for LSU as long as Saban was here?

Perrilloux's coach at ESTJ said recently that the reason RP was so high on going to TX was Saban. Once Saban bolted, he knew he could play for Miles. He hated Saban's personality.

I wonder how many other kids he scared off that Miles would have been able to bring in?

CParso

Perrilloux is one example. Jai Eugene I believe was another. Miles had a lot of ground to make up on current recruit Luther Davis & his mother because of the way Saban handled recruiting his brother. I'm sure there were other examples as well, but that doesn't mean we can ignore all the talent that he did bring.

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bayou_bandit74

I thought the main reason Eugene de-commited from Michigan to sign with LSU at the last second was because of his son? So that way he could be closer to his son.

TigerWins

Um, yeah, ok.