2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT

JD · 01-20-2003, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by TigerLifer3
Perquoet (sp) came from Rummel, not exactly a small school...and I don't think he was recruited by norte dame....and I think he transferred to the bluff but not too sure about that either.

I believe parquet enrolled at memphis. he wasn't that highly regarded anyway.

JD · 01-20-2003, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by red55
Bradshaw was 6 foot 4. LSU backed off because he was too short to play QB? Yeah, right. And he failed his ACT on purpose so he could go to a division II school? Sure, absolutely. LSU's sprint out attack wasn't suited to him, so he went to Tech? Well, didn't LSU let Bert Jones drop back and pass.

Terry wrote a biography and tried to change history. He isn't the first. He's kind of sensitive that people think he's dumber than a bag of hammers. He's a millionaire Hall-of-Famer with four Super Bowl rings and doesn't need to prove anything, in my opinion.

Stan Humphries transferred to Northeast after he was dismissed from the team in a argument with his coach over a team rule violation. I think this was just after his freshman year, he could have been great at LSU, but was immature at the time.

Of course, while Bert Jones was a stud pro and college QB, he did platoon for a long time at lsu. Most major college schools didn't pass much back then.

red55 · 01-20-2003, 12:02 PM

Cholly Mac had a season in the 1960's when his QB went down and he had no backup QB that was ready. He swore after that that he would never be caught with only 1 experienced QB. He consistently played 2 QB's after that and never got caught without a QB again.

When he had a superstar like Bert Jones he maybe should have played him 80-20 instead of 50-50. But Jones was in the game when he needed to be, Coach Mac just wasn't concerned about hurting Berts stats. It surely didn't keep Bert Jones from being a #2 draft pick.

I think any coach would be smart to play his reserve QB at least one series in every game.

DeafValleyBatnR · 01-20-2003, 07:58 PM

Terry Bradshaw was going to LSU because of the pressure of the Golden Boy going to the State School but Terry always wanted to go to La Tech. Terry found out that he had to take a test to get into LSU at that time and LSU was the only school that you had to take a entrance exam to get into in those days. So he went down took the test and failed (on purpose he says) then he was able to go to La Tech where he always wanted to go. Terry Bradshaw has told this story on TV.

Trey Prather never played at LSU he was in Vietnam by his freshman year in College so for someone to say Bradshaw was afraid of going to LSU because Prather was at LSU is way off base. Although from all reports that I have heard Prather was the best of the Three Bradshaw Ferguson being the other 2.

Terry Bradshaw, Joe Ferguson and Robert Parrish all at Woodlawn High School at the same time. WOW

BeMore Tiger · 01-21-2003, 07:40 AM

Remember when Nikita Wilson threw the ball down court to John Williams and it went out of bounds giving GA the ball under the goal with 2 seconds left. DUH!!

Tiger Trey · 01-21-2003, 02:22 PM

that it's dangerous to pick Terry Bradshaw's brain !!

Goodlifetiger · 01-21-2003, 06:32 PM

Cecil the disel was great on the football field. The short time he was there. He was a total failure every where else. He is one very sick person and needs to remain in jail.

lsu99 · 01-22-2003, 07:12 AM

Yeah, I was in school at LSU during Cecil's time. I definitely never heard anyone attempt to defend him in any way. A girl I went to high school told me a story about him once. She and a couple of friends were hanging out at their apartment one night (no more than 5 girls) probably watching 90210 or something. Cecil and a couple of his "boys" thought they would stop by. Cecil kept saying, "Who wants a piece of the Diesel?" Anyway, they stayed past their welcome and one of the girls went to bed in one of the back bedrooms. Of course, Cecil made his way to the room and started rubbing her thigh until she woke up. That's when they made everyone leave. Shortly after that, Cecil started making news with all of his incidents.

kdeuce · 02-06-2010, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DeafValleyBatnR

So he went down took the test and failed (on purpose he says) then he was able to go to La Tech where he always wanted to go. Terry Bradshaw has told this story on TV.

At Woodlawn, Terry Bradshaw played behind Trey Prather and didn't start until his senior year (after Prather had graduated). Bradshaw has said he didn't want to go to LSU and face the prospect of sitting on the bench for three years behind Prather.

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Originally Posted by DeafValleyBatnR

Trey Prather never played at LSU

That's incorrect. He and Freddie Haynes played QB for the Tigers in the 28-7 loss to Florida in 1966.

Coach McClendon had chosen Haynes as his starter that year because he was a running QB. Prather was a drop-back passing QB.

Coach McClendon brought Prather in to relieve Freddie Haynes when the Tigers could not score against Florida in 1966.

Ocala Star-Banner
October 23, 1966

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LSU, on the other hand, found the Gators derfense too touch to crack as the Tigers got their lone touchdown after it was obvious Florida was a winner, ahead 28-0. Quarterback Trey Prather, taking over for Fred Haynes passed five yards to halfback Billy Masters for the Tiger TD.

bhelmLSU · 02-06-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kdeuce

At Woodlawn, Terry Bradshaw played behind Trey Prather and didn't start until his senior year (after Prather had graduated). Bradshaw has said he didn't want to go to LSU and face the prospect of sitting on the bench for three years behind Prather.

That's incorrect. He and Freddie Haynes played QB for the Tigers in the 28-7 loss to Florida in 1966.

Coach McClendon had chosen Haynes as his starter that year because he was a running QB. Prather was a drop-back passing QB.

Coach McClendon brought Prather in to relieve Freddie Haynes when the Tigers could not score against Florida in 1966.

Ocala Star-Banner
October 23, 1966

Bradshaw has also said on numerous occasions that he wasn't smart enough to get into LSU.

bayareatiger · 02-06-2010, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiger Trey

Joe Ferguson (The White Knight) followed Bradshaw and QB'd Woodlawn(SHV) to a State Championship. He then went on to Arkansas and handing the ball off to OJ Simpson in Buffalo.

Thankfully Bert Jones and David Woodley were good North LA. QBs who made the trip to Baton Rouge and stayed.

Ferguson and Jones graduated from high school the same year, and were destined to go to different colleges.

Ferguson ended up at Ar-kansas, and Jones chose LSU, negating any chance LSU had for Ferguson.

Being that Jones was LSU's first consensus All-American QB, I think we got the better deal.

SabanFan · 02-07-2010, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PlaneauxTiger

Biggest roundball bust in recent years has to be Fess Irvin. Carroll Boudreaux is another HS All-American that never did much. Of course, Dale was coaching them.

I don't believe Carroll ever played at LSU. His brother Harold did.

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And, the all time biggest bust at LSU in terms of talent that did not amount to much other than on the Dade County Prison football team .....

Cecil "The Diesel" Collins

Collins wasn't a bust. He was the real deal. Unfortunately he was also a criminal.

Does anyone remember the all everything WR out of John Ehret in the early 80s that never did squat in college? Tyrone something.

LaSalleAve · 02-07-2010, 12:21 PM

How bout Ryan Perrilloux and Xavier Carter. Hallman had to have been a bigger flop than Archer didn't Archer have an 11 win season.

QBLuke · 02-07-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SoLa in NoIll

Tito Horford has to be in the top ten on any such list. Does anyone remember the SI cover "Dark Days at LSU" with Daddy Dale on the cover? It came out right around the time of the Horford deal (circa 1984). Horford, from what I remember, was a highly recruited star who never played a minute of basketball at LSU. He eventually landed at U. of Miami and never really did much. His recruitment drew the ire of the NCAA, which, I believe, was the impetus (or one of them) behind Dale's quixotic quest against the NCAA.

And, the all time biggest bust at LSU in terms of talent that did not amount to much other than on the Dade County Prison football team .....

Cecil "The Diesel" Collins

He played 3 years in the NBA and spawned NBA All-Star and 2-time NCAA champion Al Horford. I wasn't alive at the time so I don't know what was involved with is recruitment at LSU but he had a successful enough career at Miami to be a second round pick.

shane0911 · 02-07-2010, 02:48 PM

Johnny Hector!

hadskey76 · 02-07-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerLifer3

Anthony Thomas RB out of Winnfield
Warrick Dunn RB out of Baton Rouge
Travis Minor RB out of Baton Rouge
Major Applewhite QB out of Baton Rouge
Talman Gardner WR out of New Orleans
Kerry Watkins WR out of New Orleans

I can't think of anymore sure we could name a bunch of those too

Ed Reed - University of Miami

Hub · 02-08-2010, 07:25 AM

Wow, blast from the past

ok awesome · 02-08-2010, 10:50 AM

Barrington Edwards

MobileBengal · 02-08-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ok awesome

Barrington Edwards

Dude was a Playstation beast.

TigerTap · 02-08-2010, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by LaSalleAve

How bout Ryan Perrilloux and Xavier Carter. Hallman had to have been a bigger flop than Archer didn't Archer have an 11 win season.

Ryan Perrilloux won the 2007 SECCG. Xavier Carter knelt on the1 yard line ater a kickoff.

Hallman was a better recruiter than Archer. Archer's best season was a 10-1-1 in 1987.

The number of 11 win seasons at LSU in Football can be counted on 1 hand. Miles has 3 of them, Dietzel & Saban the other 2.

HatcherTiger · 02-08-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shane0911

Johnny Hector!

New Iberia to T A&M, second round pick with the Jets, played about 10 years. Not sure he qualifies as a flop but he may not have lived up to all of his hype:

Johnny Hector Past Stats, Statistics, History, and Awards - databaseFootball.com

Cajun Sensation · 02-08-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerLifer3

football: Jermaine Sharpe, rb out of Monroe......Michael Hays, WR out of Opelousas.... and I can't remember his name but the only mistake I think Saban has made in recruiting, and that is that Linebacker out of Florida, I can't recall his name though, but all he did was get into trouble....and another bust from the Dinardo Era was Cecil Collins, RB out of Leesville......all the potential in the world a shame he had the mentaility of a child.

This is kinda off topic: but the biggest recruits to get away from Louisiana before Saban came here...

Anthony Thomas RB out of Winnfield
Warrick Dunn RB out of Baton Rouge
Travis Minor RB out of Baton Rouge
Major Applewhite QB out of Baton Rouge
Talman Gardner WR out of New Orleans
Kerry Watkins WR out of New Orleans

I can't think of anymore sure we could name a bunch of those too

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Originally Posted by Hub

I thought Tito Horford did play at LSU a year or two....i could be wrong.

TigerLifer, the LB is Tim Pope. You're right, but let me say this in Saban's defense. A friend of mine works for a co. that hired some of the football players last summer.....not to get off the topic but yes they did work. Anyway, he quizzed the players about Saban the team, etc. One question was what is Saban like. The response was all business do it right or you're gone...no second chances. The players said the only exception was Tim Pope...he had like nine lives....before Saban let him go. Why? The players said he was the complete package. Big, fast, strong, hit like a truck, could play the game...nobody liked to have to go against him in practice. Put it this way, they said if Pope would have been straight Bradie would have never moved to ILB, he would have stayed outside and Pope would have patrolled the middle. Saban gave him more than enough rope and he couldn't do anything with it. He was one of the top LBs coming out of Fla but no one would touch him b/c of him being a freak....guess Saban thought he could mold a good person out of crap and get him a good football player in the process.....too bad it didn't work.

TL3, on your top guys leaving the state, here's some more:

Kordell Stewart
Marshall Faulk
Reggie Wayne
Ike Hilliard
Mike Stonebraker (spelling?)
The Manning's
Any kid out of St Aug

How bout Tracy Porter?

Richdog · 02-08-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PlaneauxTiger

Biggest roundball bust in recent years has to be Fess Irvin. Carroll Boudreaux is another HS All-American that never did much. Of course, Dale was coaching them.

In the last few years, Derron Parquet is probably the biggest football bust. He was ranked ahead of Devery Henderson coming out of high school -- he was a 4-star top 20 back. Last I heard, he was sitting on the bench at Univ of Memphis behind a true freshman.

Carroll played at USL. Harold, his twin, played at LSU.

Bengal Buddy · 02-09-2010, 05:05 AM

Lester Earl
Cecil Collens
Ryan Perrilloux

By the way, where is Perrilloux now?

LSU-SIU · 02-09-2010, 06:06 AM

1989-1990 Men's Basketball team
I remember being on campus having discussions with friends on that team. I told them that stupid Chris Jackson dribble between the legs and jumper from 23 feet was not going to work in the NCAA playoffs.

The biggest waste of talent with Shaq, Wayne Sims, Vernel Singleton and Stanley Roberts sitting under the basket with nothing to do.

Imagine having recruited these guys and you have someone shooting from 23 feet. I don't know if this is a flop on Chris Jackson or Dale Brown or the rest of the team.

01-20-2003, 07:58 PM	#29
DeafValleyBatnR NONE Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 881	Bradshaw Terry Bradshaw was going to LSU because of the pressure of the Golden Boy going to the State School but Terry always wanted to go to La Tech. Terry found out that he had to take a test to get into LSU at that time and LSU was the only school that you had to take a entrance exam to get into in those days. So he went down took the test and failed (on purpose he says) then he was able to go to La Tech where he always wanted to go. Terry Bradshaw has told this story on TV. Trey Prather never played at LSU he was in Vietnam by his freshman year in College so for someone to say Bradshaw was afraid of going to LSU because Prather was at LSU is way off base. Although from all reports that I have heard Prather was the best of the Three Bradshaw Ferguson being the other 2. Terry Bradshaw, Joe Ferguson and Robert Parrish all at Woodlawn High School at the same time. WOW

01-21-2003, 07:40 AM	#30
BeMore Tiger Registered Guest Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	Baksetball Remember when Nikita Wilson threw the ball down court to John Williams and it went out of bounds giving GA the ball under the goal with 2 seconds left. DUH!!

01-21-2003, 02:22 PM	#31
Tiger Trey Registered Guest Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Providence Village, Texas Posts: 752	I think that we've proven that it's dangerous to pick Terry Bradshaw's brain !! __________________ "I've always wanted to eat deep-fried dough in the most corrupt city on earth !" - Dale Gribble

01-21-2003, 06:32 PM	#32
Goodlifetiger Registered Guest Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,373	Cecil the disel was great on the football field. The short time he was there. He was a total failure every where else. He is one very sick person and needs to remain in jail. __________________

01-22-2003, 07:12 AM	#33
lsu99 Registered Guest Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Houston Posts: 1,271	Cecil the "Diesel" Yeah, I was in school at LSU during Cecil's time. I definitely never heard anyone attempt to defend him in any way. A girl I went to high school told me a story about him once. She and a couple of friends were hanging out at their apartment one night (no more than 5 girls) probably watching 90210 or something. Cecil and a couple of his "boys" thought they would stop by. Cecil kept saying, "Who wants a piece of the Diesel?" Anyway, they stayed past their welcome and one of the girls went to bed in one of the back bedrooms. Of course, Cecil made his way to the room and started rubbing her thigh until she woke up. That's when they made everyone leave. Shortly after that, Cecil started making news with all of his incidents.

01-20-2003, 12:02 PM	#28
red55 curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 21,393	Cholly Mac had a season in the 1960's when his QB went down and he had no backup QB that was ready. He swore after that that he would never be caught with only 1 experienced QB. He consistently played 2 QB's after that and never got caught without a QB again. When he had a superstar like Bert Jones he maybe should have played him 80-20 instead of 50-50. But Jones was in the game when he needed to be, Coach Mac just wasn't concerned about hurting Berts stats. It surely didn't keep Bert Jones from being a #2 draft pick. I think any coach would be smart to play his reserve QB at least one series in every game.

02-07-2010, 12:21 PM	#38
LaSalleAve N.O.R.M.L. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: within the confines of my own screwed up mind. Posts: 5,438	Re: 2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT How bout Ryan Perrilloux and Xavier Carter. Hallman had to have been a bigger flop than Archer didn't Archer have an 11 win season. __________________ This Tiger would kick any of the other Tigers asses! "Imagine a place where freedom is just a word on a wall" Jason Cruz

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shane0911 The Crow must Geaux! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OKC Posts: 2,041	Re: 2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT Johnny Hector! __________________ "This idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except that of the sovereign people is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of mans relation to man" Ronald Wilson Regan You paying attention Pelosi? Reid? obama?

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Hub Registered Guest Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: BTR Posts: 1,023	Re: I have to say..... Wow, blast from the past __________________

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ok awesome LSU Class of 2007 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,364	Re: 2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT Barrington Edwards

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Bengal Buddy Registered Guest Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 10,249	Re: 2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT Lester Earl Cecil Collens Ryan Perrilloux By the way, where is Perrilloux now? __________________ Don't ever underestimate the power of stupid people acting as a group.

02-09-2010, 06:06 AM	#50
LSU-SIU Registered Guest Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 735	Re: 2003 Thread - SINCE IT'S RECRUITING TIME....BIGGEST FLOPS IN LSU HISTORY -- ANY SPORT 1989-1990 Men's Basketball team I remember being on campus having discussions with friends on that team. I told them that stupid Chris Jackson dribble between the legs and jumper from 23 feet was not going to work in the NCAA playoffs. The biggest waste of talent with Shaq, Wayne Sims, Vernel Singleton and Stanley Roberts sitting under the basket with nothing to do. Imagine having recruited these guys and you have someone shooting from 23 feet. I don't know if this is a flop on Chris Jackson or Dale Brown or the rest of the team.

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