Will move from East Texas to Arlington in the new Dallas Cowboys Staduim. I am sure most SEC teams will be happy with this move, especially the fans.
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Plans for the $1 billion Arlington stadium, scheduled to open in 2009, include a retractable roof that would cover a hole similar to the one at Texas Stadium in Irving. A domed stadium is important to bowl game officials because of Dallas' sometimes cold January weather.
"That's something that we cannot and will not ever provide -- a roof over their head," said Pete Schenkel, the former chairman of the State Fair of Texas.
The stadium is also home to the annual games between Texas and Oklahoma and Grambling State and Prairie View, both of which are under contract there through 2010, Schenkel said.
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Will move from East Texas to Arlington in the new Dallas Cowboys Staduim. I am sure most SEC teams will be happy with this move, especially the fans. Article
Let me know when they change the time of the bowl game.
The Cotton Bowl wasn't in "east Texas," it was in Dallas. As a resident of a northern suburb of Dallas, most of us are pretty furious that Dallas mayor Laura Miller didn't even seem to try to get the Cowboys stadium in Dallas. She let Arlington have it (I just wrote a blurb for The Dallas Morning News about that being her legacy.)
Now, the Cotton Bowl is going to be in Arlington, too. Obviously, the facilities will be a thousand times better, but an awful lot of tradition goes down the drain with this move. The Red River Shootout will follow after the 2010 season.
A previous poster asked about Cotton Bowl renovations. None have been done yet, but a $30 million bond issue was just passed for that. I'm not sure why they should bother anymore.
A previous poster asked about Cotton Bowl renovations. None have been done yet, but a $30 million bond issue was just passed for that. I'm not sure why they should bother anymore.
Thanks, and yeah, no need to improve that much now.
Now, the Cotton Bowl is going to be in Arlington, too. Obviously, the facilities will be a thousand times better, but an awful lot of tradition goes down the drain with this move. The Red River Shootout will follow after the 2010 season.re.
I think you're probably right on this, StaceyO. Seems like a lot of folks want to give it up and make it a home and home. Common argument I hear from Texas fans is it's too difficult to get a ticket to the Shootout, even with a sizable contribution to the university. Folks tell me that it'll be better to get to see it in Austin every other year than not at all.
Attendance for the Cotton Bowl should be better the new stadium, (1) larger venue, and (2) with the retractable roof, fans won't have to worry about the unpredictable January weather in Dallas.
Personally, I like traditions. But this one indeed seems in jeopardy.
I think you're probably right on this, StaceyO. Seems like a lot of folks want to give it up and make it a home and home. Common argument I hear from Texas fans is it's too difficult to get a ticket to the Shootout, even with a sizable contribution to the university. Folks tell me that it'll be better to get to see it in Austin every other year than not at all.
Attendance for the Cotton Bowl should be better the new stadium,(1) larger venue, and (2) with the retractable roof, fans won't have to worry about the unpredictable January weather in Dallas.
Personally, I like traditions. But this one indeed seems in jeopardy.
Most NFL stadiums have a smaller amount of seats than most college stadiums have. That's why I asked about attendance. Granted, if the weather is inclimate, I can see the #'s being better for the bowl game, but if it's a nice day outside?
The capacity used to be at just over 68K. Last season, they pulled the old seats out and put in bleachers...that undoubtably boosted the capacity numbers, at least, I would think it would.
Texas stadium, on the other hand, was just over 65K.
Most NFL stadiums have a smaller amount of seats than most college stadiums have. That's why I asked about attendance. Granted, if the weather is inclimate, I can see the #'s being better for the bowl game, but if it's a nice day outside?
The capacity used to be at just over 68K. Last season, they pulled the old seats out and put in bleachers...that undoubtably boosted the capacity numbers, at least, I would think it would.
Texas stadium, on the other hand, was just over 65K.
That's a good point, and I'm not sure, but I think the capacity in the new Cowboys stadium is going to be larger than Texas Stadium's.
I've lived in Dallas for 10 years now and there was only one New Year's Day when there was snow/ice. I know it had happened before then, too, but the inclement weather element is not the big issue--the palatial new stadium 20 miles west is the issue.
This is a great move for them. They'll actually be able to sell tickets to the game now.
However, Les & LSU are still pissed at the Cotton Bowl board for leaking that we went to meet with them before the SECCG... Word is that Miles wants nothing to do with them. I doubt we accept a bid from them for the foreseeable future unless its our only decent option.
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The Cotton Bowl's capacity is currently 76k. The proposed renovations are projected to raise that to about 92k. But, as was mentioned above, there is not much point now. The new Cowboys stadium is supposed to be about 80k. For those that would be coming from LA, the new location is about 25 miles west of the old Cotton Bowl.
Laura Miller really dropped the ball on letting that go to Arlington. She's a moron that doesn't realize the tremendous impact having the stadium in Dallas would be on tourism, property values, retail, etc. She passed because of the cost to the tax payers and Arlington was willing to put up 325 million.
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Originally estimated to cost US$650 million, the stadium's current construction cost is in excess of $1 billion, which will make it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by one-half of a percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington will provide $325 million in funding, and Jones will cover any cost overruns.
The Cotton Bowl's capacity is currently 76k. The proposed renovations are projected to raise that to about 92k. But, as was mentioned above, there is not much point now. The new Cowboys stadium is supposed to be about 80k. For those that would be coming from LA, the new location is about 25 miles west of the old Cotton Bowl.
The capacity is at 68,252. With the renovations, once their completed, it'll be up to the 76K figure you've quote.
From the link you provided...
The Cotton Bowl is a stadium which opened in 1932. Originally known as "Fair Park Bowl", it is located in Fair Park, site of the State Fair in Dallas, Texas, USA. It has a natural grass surface and a capacity of 68,252 seats. Concerts or other events using a stage allow the playing field to be used for additional spectators to a capacity past 80,000. The Cotton Bowl is the home of the annual Cotton Bowl Classic college football bowl game, for which the stadium is named. Artificial turf was installed in 1970 and removed in 1993..............
However, amidst the ideas about moving from the Cotton Bowl, both schools have recently approved a deal with the Cotton Bowl to continue playing "The Red River Rivalry" at the Cotton Bowl until 2010. As a result of this extension, the city of Dallas will allocate $30 million towards an estimated $50 million (at least part of the final total could possibly come from a sale of the naming rights for the stadium) renovation from an upcoming city bond proposal for several modifications and updates to the stadium. These proposed renovations include expanding the seating capacity of the stadium from 76,000 to 92,107, new media and VIP facilities, a new scoreboard, updated restrooms and concession areas, lighting, utility and sound upgrades and the replacement of the stadium's seats. [1]
After a little research I see that they plan on the new stadium seating around 80K which will be more than the old Cotton Bowl venue. (plans are being developed to take it to 100K)
If there is one NFL team that can fill those seats regularly, it would be the Cowboys.
Auburn v Nebraska didn't fill the old Cotton Bowl venue last year. (lowest total of seats filled in 6 years) It makes me wonder if it would take a team like Texas or Oklahoma playing in the "new Cotton Bowl venue" to fill the 80K. Kansas State couldn't do it when they played in '01...less of a turnout than last year.
The Cotton Bowl's capacity is currently 76k. The proposed renovations are projected to raise that to about 92k. But, as was mentioned above, there is not much point now. The new Cowboys stadium is supposed to be about 80k. For those that would be coming from LA, the new location is about 25 miles west of the old Cotton Bowl.
Laura Miller really dropped the ball on letting that go to Arlington. She's a moron that doesn't realize the tremendous impact having the stadium in Dallas would be on tourism, property values, retail, etc. She passed because of the cost to the tax payers and Arlington was willing to put up 325 million.
Your points about Laura Miller are right on; she's been incredibly anti-development. If Ron Kirk was still the mayor of Dallas, the new stadium would've been built here. Instead, we're now going to be the Arlington Cowboys.
Your points about Laura Miller are right on; she's been incredibly anti-development. If Ron Kirk was still the mayor of Dallas, the new stadium would've been built here. Instead, we're now going to be the Arlington Cowboys.
Did Miller offer (or the city of Dallas) any kind of incentive like what has been mentioned that Arlington did?
She passed because of the cost to the tax payers and Arlington was willing to put up 325 million.
It seems to me, from an outsiders point of view, it boiled down to tax breaks, etc. I'd imagine, it was the type scenario that put the stadium in Irving, wasn't it?
Miller didn't want to offer any incentive, so Dallas really didn't try to get the stadium. If she had been mayor when the American Airlines Center (Mavericks, Stars) project came up, those teams would still be playing in nasty Reunion Arena.
How much of a difference will the move make in regards to attendance?
The new Cowboy stadium can hold up to 100,000 people so attendance could be much higher. I live in Arlington and am looking forward to the new stadium.
