Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment

tigerdro · 11-24-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mauitiger

I will pardon you for not raising the champagne glass if you will pardon me for not swallowing the crap sandwich you have prepared for yourself.

raising my glass and skipping the crap sandwich.

COramprat · 11-24-2007, 05:09 PM

I'm at peace now with the loss. I figured at the beginning of the season we would lose two (Florida and Kentucky) so the being in the hunt for teh national championship was a bonus. I'm happy with the SEC championship but I'd wished Georgia was in there. Sugar will still taste sweet to me.

Crip*TEAM KATT · 11-24-2007, 05:10 PM

Because even if your perfect you still need LUCK to win a National Championship.

If you are perfect on the year you will play in the SECC.

Playing in the SECC is like being married to a sex addict super model.

Playing in the National Championship is finding out she is BI

mauitiger · 11-24-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pjnchamps

I really wanted to play Georgia. They are the higher ranked team and right now the better team out of the two opponents. In order to be the best you have to beat the best. Sorry but making a statement is not beating Tenn. Making a statement is going out and dominating a TOP 5 ranked Georgia team. Wanting to play the weaker opponent is not what a championship caliber(sp?) team wants.

I really would rather have had Georgia as well pjn, but you deal with the cards that are dealt.

We have a lot of posters saying that the entire season was a failure because we aren't in the BCSCG. I'm just saying, especially judging by the Ken - Tenn game, that man it's hard to win a game in the SEC much less the Championship.

Having said that I would also never trade a SEC Championship for a National Championship. I just think an SEC Champ. is quite an accomplishment.

edyel · 11-24-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pjnchamps

I really wanted to play Georgia. They are the higher ranked team and right now the better team out of the two opponents. In order to be the best you have to beat the best. Sorry but making a statement is not beating Tenn. Making a statement is going out and dominating a TOP 5 ranked Georgia team. Wanting to play the weaker opponent is not what a championship caliber(sp?) team wants.

Did you not see the game last night? SEC play has decimated this team to the point of them having to play 3rd string D line players. Being realistic we can beat Tenn. next week and have a long time to heal before the bowl game. Then we can make a statement by beating whoever like we did against ND last year and get a good end of season ranking to start off next year. LSU is NOT going to play for the NC game this year and people need to accept it and MOVE ON. Winning out WILL make a statement and 12-2 ain't too shabby!

NJtiger · 11-24-2007, 05:22 PM

Those who want a playoff can't complain that Georgia and Florida are better than Tennessee and therefore the SECCG isn't a true test of who's SEC Champion. Georgia and Florida lost their chances ON THE FIELD, albeit a few weeks ago, and that's how a playoff would work, and there would be some games which come out "wrong" but that's the way it is.

There is absolutely no way to take a snapshot of every team at the same moment, play them against each other, and declare who is that whole YEAR'S NC. Actually, I'm more and more convinced that there is no system which will determine it. The polls aren't perfect when taken alone, but the BCS is going to end up with Hawaii and Kansas in high positions, which polls in the old system never would have.

Bottom line: Tennessee and LSU will fight it out next week for the SEC Championship, and whichever team wins IS the champion, Georgia and Florida playing "better" at this point in the season notwithstanding.

CajunPunk · 11-24-2007, 05:24 PM

No one will answer my question?

edyel · 11-24-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunPunk

I've got a question... How come Tebow can play like a hero day in and day out, putting himself as the front runner for the Heisman every game, yet we always use the excuse that we are always banged up, forgetting that Florida plays a pretty tough schedule too? So does he and he is the whole team, just about.

Too bad I can't stand the guy...

Florida's "team" is one torn knee ligament away from being Ole Piss.

pjnchamps · 11-24-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by edyel

Did you not see the game last night? SEC play has decimated this team to the point of them having to play 3rd string D line players. Being realistic we can beat Tenn. next week and have a long time to heal before the bowl game. Then we can make a statement by beating whoever like we did against ND last year and get a good end of season ranking to start off next year. LSU is NOT going to play for the NC game this year and people need to accept it and MOVE ON. Winning out WILL make a statement and 12-2 ain't too shabby!

Yes I saw last night's game but because we have injuries and nicks means we should want the easier opponent no we are not the only team with injuries. Playing Georgia the better oponent has nothing to do with the NC for me I just wanted to play the better team. Playing tougher opponents makes you better IMO.

mauitiger · 11-24-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunPunk

No one will answer my question?

I can't answer your question Punk because to a certain extent I agree with you.

It would be interesting to find out what the injury posters have posted in the past about our superior depth. Where is the superior depth?

I think excuses are just that. Excuses.

I think that it's just plain hard to consistently win week in and week out in the SEC. When was the last time a team went undefeated in the SEC? Does any team in the SEC this year have only one conference loss?

CajunPunk · 11-24-2007, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NJtiger

Those who want a playoff can't complain that Georgia and Florida are better than Tennessee and therefore the SECCG isn't a true test of who's SEC Champion. Georgia and Florida lost their chances ON THE FIELD, albeit a few weeks ago, and that's how a playoff would work, and there would be some games which come out "wrong" but that's the way it is.

There is absolutely no way to take a snapshot of every team at the same moment, play them against each other, and declare who is that whole YEAR'S NC. Actually, I'm more and more convinced that there is no system which will determine it. The polls aren't perfect when taken alone, but the BCS is going to end up with Hawaii and Kansas in high positions, which polls in the old system never would have.

Bottom line: Tennessee and LSU will fight it out next week for the SEC Championship, and whichever team wins IS the champion, Georgia and Florida playing "better" at this point in the season notwithstanding.

Well, a playoff system wouldn't work well for LSU anyway, despite how many people on here cry for it. LSU proved this season that they get worse and more "banged up" as the season goes on, as fans blame everything on the schedule, despite the fact that Georgia, Florida, and Auburn played a tough schedule too, but got better as the season progressed.

LSU (and most other teams) wouldn't be able to handle more games to play, especially if it calls for playing better and better teams as they go.

stk · 11-24-2007, 05:31 PM

Winning the toughest conference in football is always an accomplishment. We all want more, but i'm not going to complain about winning the SEC.

TejasTiger · 11-24-2007, 05:33 PM

Anyone who thinks winning the SEC is not an accomplishment is nuts.

Yes, the national title is out of reach, but a 12-2 SEC champion and Sugar Bowl champion LSU team w/ two losses in triple overtime goes down as one of the very best ever to wear P&G.

pjnchamps · 11-24-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunPunk

No one will answer my question?

People/Media were making exuses for him against Georgia about his shoulder. But the only answer I could think of is Only Losers make Excuses. I dont like him either and wish someone would hit him especially when he runs the option and pitches it however he does dominate a game and does it both in the air and on the ground.

CajunPunk · 11-24-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mauitiger

I can't answer your question Punk because to a certain extent I agree with you.

It would be interesting to find out what the injury posters have posted in the past about our superior depth. Where is the superior depth?

I think excuses are just that. Excuses.

I think that it's just plain hard to consistently win week in and week out in the SEC. When was the last time a team went undefeated in the SEC? Does any team in the SEC this year have only one conference loss?

Well, no, but with all of the hype and superior depth and coaching we supposedly have this season, everyone's expectations were sky-high. So, I don't think it is that people expect an undefeated season, I think it is that we want a season where we get better and better and whatever loss we get should come at the beginning, when LSU is still figuring things out - i.e. '03.

As the season progressed, LSU should have known that a soft zone doesn't work well, running more isn't a bad thing, penalties should be on the decline, mobile QBs can hurt you, and McFadden is good.

Sourdoughman · 11-24-2007, 05:42 PM

The SEC Championship is really a major accomplishment.
I will be honest and say for a short time yesterday I didn't care if our football team won another game and I was considering not watching any more of our games not because of wins and losses but because I've had too much drama this year in life and football.
I am a Tigerfan before a college football fan therefore I don't enjoy the thrillers as much as an LSU fan than I do as a college football fan.
I use to have to dye my hair after the LSU losses but this season I've had to dye my hair after the wins as well.
I said before that I think these games have been easier on the players than the fans.

Then I woke up this morning and it was a new day, the sun was shinning and I realized yesterday was the toughest loss anyone could ever have.
We were in the top 2 in the nation all football season until we lost it on the last regular season game, that is tough, I would argue tougher than losing in the SEC CG?

But the lid blew off the pressure cooker yesterday, win or lose the rest of the season, neither will affect me the same way as it has all season.
Thoughts?

lsufan_in_ohio · 11-24-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Crip*TEAM KATT

Because even if your perfect you still need LUCK to win a National Championship.

If you are perfect on the year you will play in the SECC.

Playing in the SECC is like being married to a sex addict super model.

Playing in the National Championship is finding out she is BI

mauitiger · 11-24-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CajunPunk

Well, no, but with all of the hype and superior depth and coaching we supposedly have this season, everyone's expectations were sky-high. So, I don't think it is that people expect an undefeated season, I think it is that we want a season where we get better and better and whatever loss we get should come at the beginning, when LSU is still figuring things out - i.e. '03.

As the season progressed, LSU should have known that a soft zone doesn't work well, running more isn't a bad thing, penalties should be on the decline, mobile QBs can hurt you, and McFadden is good.

We really did not seem to improve. If not because of injuries then has to be coaching. Unless the players just did not "get it", although that would lead back to coaching as well.

RHans405 · 11-24-2007, 06:05 PM

Georgia is in the exact same boat we were in last year. If they win their bowl game, they may end up number 3.

paducahmichael · 11-24-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayou Bengal11

what?!?! sorry if this sounds a little silly to me

The SEC championship is won. The MNC is "bestowed". That's why I think it means more.

Not more prestigious, maybe, but more meaningful.

uscvball · 11-24-2007, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by edyel

As long as the Pac 10 and Big 10 don't have conference championship games the winner of the SECCG should be considered AT LEAST equal to the winner of the MNC game. Even Spencer Tillman on CBS is on board the SEC bus.

Why even play the game then? What was the story prior to the BCS? It's all about money. Just ask Forbes.

lsutiga · 11-24-2007, 06:18 PM

WOW, if anyone thinks an SEC Championship is a bigger accomplishment than a National Title, we've really....

I'll take the same argument in the initial post and say if it's such a big prize, why isn't a team in our conference ranked ahead of the two teams playing in it.

If any person said that winning any other conference was even close to winning a National Title we'd LOAO at them and before you play the, "Yeah but this is the SEC" card, we may be stronger but not enough to say an SEC Championship is bigger than a National Title and if we'd have won it this year and someone said it wasn't won, rather, "Bestowed"- LAWD, we'd have a fit.

pharpe · 11-24-2007, 06:26 PM

I think we should start claiming that the winner of the SEC championship is the national champions. I bet we could get CBS on board with this since it would be good for them and a major network would lend some credibility to the claim. If anyone says that it is unfair then we will just say that they have an unhealthy obsession with the SEC and they should just accept it.

pjnchamps · 11-24-2007, 06:32 PM

National Championship bonus vs Conference Championship bonus? I'll take the NC

cristof11 · 11-24-2007, 06:34 PM

It's still a pretty big accomplishment to win the SEC...Not as important as winning the NC, but still important.

11-24-2007, 05:09 PM	#27
COramprat Simma Da Na Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Section 234 blocking the aisle Posts: 3,712	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment I'm at peace now with the loss. I figured at the beginning of the season we would lose two (Florida and Kentucky) so the being in the hunt for teh national championship was a bonus. I'm happy with the SEC championship but I'd wished Georgia was in there. Sugar will still taste sweet to me. __________________ Get On It Racing

11-24-2007, 05:10 PM	#28
Crip*TEAM KATT As Wild As We Wanna Be Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Holden Posts: 9,458	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment Because even if your perfect you still need LUCK to win a National Championship. If you are perfect on the year you will play in the SECC. Playing in the SECC is like being married to a sex addict super model. Playing in the National Championship is finding out she is BI __________________ Make your Tigerforums Experience Better This message is hidden because JohnLSU is on your ignore list.

11-24-2007, 05:22 PM	#31
NJtiger Registered Guest Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 241	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment Those who want a playoff can't complain that Georgia and Florida are better than Tennessee and therefore the SECCG isn't a true test of who's SEC Champion. Georgia and Florida lost their chances ON THE FIELD, albeit a few weeks ago, and that's how a playoff would work, and there would be some games which come out "wrong" but that's the way it is. There is absolutely no way to take a snapshot of every team at the same moment, play them against each other, and declare who is that whole YEAR'S NC. Actually, I'm more and more convinced that there is no system which will determine it. The polls aren't perfect when taken alone, but the BCS is going to end up with Hawaii and Kansas in high positions, which polls in the old system never would have. Bottom line: Tennessee and LSU will fight it out next week for the SEC Championship, and whichever team wins IS the champion, Georgia and Florida playing "better" at this point in the season notwithstanding. __________________ In Baton Rouge, it's not a law to love LSU, but the city fathers could probably get one passed if they needed to. -- Charlie McClendon

11-24-2007, 05:24 PM	#32
CajunPunk TF's Resident Realist Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Watson, La. Posts: 3,697	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment No one will answer my question? __________________

11-24-2007, 05:31 PM	#37
stk Registered Guest Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Orlando, FL. Posts: 500	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment Winning the toughest conference in football is always an accomplishment. We all want more, but i'm not going to complain about winning the SEC.

11-24-2007, 05:33 PM	#38
TejasTiger Registered Guest Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,183	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment Anyone who thinks winning the SEC is not an accomplishment is nuts. Yes, the national title is out of reach, but a 12-2 SEC champion and Sugar Bowl champion LSU team w/ two losses in triple overtime goes down as one of the very best ever to wear P&G.

11-24-2007, 05:42 PM	#41
Sourdoughman Fan of the Tigerman Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Aurora, CO Posts: 10,741	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment The SEC Championship is really a major accomplishment. I will be honest and say for a short time yesterday I didn't care if our football team won another game and I was considering not watching any more of our games not because of wins and losses but because I've had too much drama this year in life and football. I am a Tigerfan before a college football fan therefore I don't enjoy the thrillers as much as an LSU fan than I do as a college football fan. I use to have to dye my hair after the LSU losses but this season I've had to dye my hair after the wins as well. I said before that I think these games have been easier on the players than the fans. Then I woke up this morning and it was a new day, the sun was shinning and I realized yesterday was the toughest loss anyone could ever have. We were in the top 2 in the nation all football season until we lost it on the last regular season game, that is tough, I would argue tougher than losing in the SEC CG? But the lid blew off the pressure cooker yesterday, win or lose the rest of the season, neither will affect me the same way as it has all season. Thoughts? __________________ Saints won the Superbowl and Hell has froze over! What is next?

11-24-2007, 06:05 PM	#44
RHans405 Let's Roll Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 5,442	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment Georgia is in the exact same boat we were in last year. If they win their bowl game, they may end up number 3. __________________

11-24-2007, 06:18 PM	#47
lsutiga NONE Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Louisiana Posts: 10,454	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment WOW, if anyone thinks an SEC Championship is a bigger accomplishment than a National Title, we've really.... I'll take the same argument in the initial post and say if it's such a big prize, why isn't a team in our conference ranked ahead of the two teams playing in it. If any person said that winning any other conference was even close to winning a National Title we'd LOAO at them and before you play the, "Yeah but this is the SEC" card, we may be stronger but not enough to say an SEC Championship is bigger than a National Title and if we'd have won it this year and someone said it wasn't won, rather, "Bestowed"- LAWD, we'd have a fit. Last edited by lsutiga; 11-24-2007 at 06:56 PM..

11-24-2007, 06:26 PM	#48
pharpe Blue, you're my Boy! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,851	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment I think we should start claiming that the winner of the SEC championship is the national champions. I bet we could get CBS on board with this since it would be good for them and a major network would lend some credibility to the claim. If anyone says that it is unfair then we will just say that they have an unhealthy obsession with the SEC and they should just accept it.

11-24-2007, 06:32 PM	#49
pjnchamps Registered Guest Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,805	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment National Championship bonus vs Conference Championship bonus? I'll take the NC __________________

11-24-2007, 06:34 PM	#50
cristof11 Registered Guest Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Low 80's and by the beach Posts: 1,330	Re: Is the SEC Championship really an accomplishment It's still a pretty big accomplishment to win the SEC...Not as important as winning the NC, but still important. __________________ Grad '03

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