New offensive coordinator search thread.

[Fishhead]

Originally Posted by Pitchfork

Hey....here's an idea. How about Crowton realize he's not coaching in the NFL and stop having Jefferson make 7 step drops and 4 different reads and WAKE the F UP and call plays that work to the advantage of the players we have NOW??????

This is college, not pro. If you haven't noticed, players graduate every year and a new crop comes in. Just how much time do you think we have to develop and offense??

You're an azzhat...but I agree with you. It is ridiculous to have JJ acting like a pocket passer. He is not one. His best game to date, (08 Peach Bowl), he rolled out and picked a team apart...all night. He is obviously not comfortable in the pocket...whatever that means. Either he doesn't trust his OL, or he doesn't trust his mental clock and vision. Probably a combination. They either need to let him play like he can...and we know he can...or let someone else do it.

[tirk]

Originally Posted by Fishhead

You're an azzhat...but I agree with you. It is ridiculous to have JJ acting like a pocket passer. He is not one. His best game to date, (08 Peach Bowl), he rolled out and picked a team apart...all night. He is obviously not comfortable in the pocket...whatever that means. Either he doesn't trust his OL, or he doesn't trust his mental clock and vision. Probably a combination. They either need to let him play like he can...and we know he can...or let someone else do it.

he has no instincts or feel for the pocket. Not sure if you can teach that. But in the meantime roll his ass out, line russell shephard up along side him with a few other friends.

run a spread. do something different after beating your head against the wall over and over again.


thats what bothers me the most. they arent proactive and dont adjust on offense when its obvious JJ aint getting it.

put him in optimal positions and make him more comfortable.


jesus. its not that complicated. its freaking football.

theres zero excuse for not bringing in RS and mixing it up when you have UF within reach the entire night and JJ completely ineffective.

do something different. do something he does well. mother****er.


its almost like they try not to utilize the talent well, especially younger talent and tried to intentionally bore the **** out of 93,000+.

they should refund everyones money after that crap.

[arizonafan]

Originally Posted by LEGACY TIGER

I'm hoping this is the case. I'm not sure what or why GC is holding our talent back. There are a couple of plays,ie, the pitch to KW that if I see again I think I'll puke. It quit working a while ago. This team has got to find a way to go down field.

Boy, right on the money with the pitch to KW. I'm not a coach and even I can see that it's not run right to start with. I've seen high school teams run it a lot better. JJ doesn't run it down the line but sort of goes too deep into the backfield. Then he keeps it until he has almost run out to KW and almost hands it to him. What the hell is that?

[sassylsufan2002]

Originally Posted by houtiger

I don't think Crowton is the problem. When Flynn was here, the O was just fine.

We have two soph and 2 frosh QB's, and none of them appear to be great QB's at this time. That's the problem. Do we have a better QB than JJ? I don't know, we haven't seen anyone else in a while.

The poor o-line play does not help, it is also an issue.

I'm happy with the D, they just held a strong #1 Fla. team to 13 pts.

JJ does not seem to be developing this year. He looked great against Ga. Tech, but they are not the Fla. Gators.

Last time we used JL was when JJ had to sit out one play. Kid hasn't played in forever. comes straight off the bench. touchdown.

we needed that game last night. would I have sat JJ down and put JL in to make sure we won that game. damn skippy!

[Sourdoughman]

Originally Posted by tirk

he has no instincts or feel for the pocket.

I got to thinking about this statement.
This means I could live my dream and play QB @
I do have NCAA eligibility left btw EXCEPT wait!
I'm too old!

Back to NCAA 10!

[MLUTiger]

Gary Crowton does not have carte blanche over the plays this offense runs. He calls the plays, but he's not given free reign over what plays are called.

Keep vilifying him though. That's improve the blocking and execution for sure...

[tzanghi]

Originally Posted by MLUTiger

Gary Crowton does not have carte blanche over the plays this offense runs. He calls the plays, but he's not given free reign over what plays are called.

Keep vilifying him though. That's improve the blocking and execution for sure...

Very well said. The offensive line needs to step up it's play in the passing game. JJ was running for his life on 3-man rushes, which is unacceptable. Everyone's calling for Crowton's firing after this 1 loss! We played the #1 team in the country, scored 3 points against the #1 defense in the country with a 2nd year quarterback who's still very young. Stop being so melodramatic, I wouldn't rather have any offensive coordinator in the country, I love Crowton.

[MLUTiger]

Well, to be fair people have been calling for Crowton to be fired for weeks now. I'm not saying that they're right; Just that the dumbassery have been running rampant for quite some time now. An offensive output of 3 points is exactly what they needed to try and get some ammunition for their argument, but they fail to recognize the sheer awesomeness of Florida's defense and the lack of execution by the O-Line.

[tigerbaitabq]

Originally Posted by Pitchfork

Unless Crowton comes out and states that Les is dictating the playcalling, I'm going to assume it's his chitty playcalling. If thats so then it's clearly time for someone new. What a gdamn waste of top tier talent.

Who out there would best utilize all of the offensive talent LSU has on it's roster? Who out there could score more than 13 points at home with LSU's talent?

Gus Malzahn?

Our priority last season was to clean house on the defensive coaching staff hence we missed out on the opportunity to grab 36yo Texas Tech OC Dana Holgorsen who resigned at the end of the '08 season to assume the same position at Houston. The Cougars are currently 7th in the nation in total offense. His numbers at TT were off the charts as well. Don't think he is going anywhere though.

[bmy-]

LSU Fans Will Suffer Because of Gary Crowton | Picklewagon Article from 2007.. and I think it rings very true. A few excerpts..

1. LSU has great athletes and he will find a way to make them look bad.

2. Crowton failed to take advantage of his highly athletic receivers.

3. Be ready for an undisciplined offense that fails to make any adjustments-during the game or season

4. LSU will probably have a great year with their athletes. They will score a lot of points. But don’t expect them to stay that way. Not with Crowton as the offensive coordinator. The numbers don’t lie.

Josh (poster of the article) says:
January 8, 2008 at 1:57 pm
You’re right Lance. LSU looked great last night [against Ohio State]. I mentioned they would do well this year. It would be nice to see them up against USC though. Now about halfway through next season you will see LSU start losing games, if history repeats itself.

[JSracing]

Originally Posted by tirk

he has no instincts or feel for the pocket. Not sure if you can teach that. But in the meantime roll his ass out, line russell shephard up along side him with a few other friends.

run a spread. do something different after beating your head against the wall over and over again.


thats what bothers me the most. they arent proactive and dont adjust on offense when its obvious JJ aint getting it.

put him in optimal positions and make him more comfortable.


jesus. its not that complicated. its freaking football.

theres zero excuse for not bringing in RS and mixing it up when you have UF within reach the entire night and JJ completely ineffective.

do something different. do something he does well. mother****er.


its almost like they try not to utilize the talent well, especially younger talent and tried to intentionally bore the **** out of 93,000+.

they should refund everyones money after that crap.

when you're right you're right. Kills me to say so but this is so true. Miles' downfall if there ever is one, doesn't utilize talent. Guns all around you and you pull a water pistol.

[Bayou Tiger]

Originally Posted by bmy-

LSU Fans Will Suffer Because of Gary Crowton | Picklewagon Article from 2007.. and I think it rings very true. A few excerpts..

1. LSU has great athletes and he will find a way to make them look bad.

2. Crowton failed to take advantage of his highly athletic receivers.

3. Be ready for an undisciplined offense that fails to make any adjustments-during the game or season

4. LSU will probably have a great year with their athletes. They will score a lot of points. But don’t expect them to stay that way. Not with Crowton as the offensive coordinator. The numbers don’t lie.

Josh (poster of the article) says:
January 8, 2008 at 1:57 pm
You’re right Lance. LSU looked great last night [against Ohio State]. I mentioned they would do well this year. It would be nice to see them up against USC though. Now about halfway through next season you will see LSU start losing games, if history repeats itself.

BYU
2001: BYU went 12-2. They scored an amazing 608 points (46.8/game). Luke Staley was the leading rusher in the nation. However they got killed in their last two games. Everybody loved Crowton as head coach. What a great season! But it was a terrible watching them get killed by Hawaii and Louisville. Coincidentally, Luke Staley was injured in the two games BYU lost.

2002: Their record was 5-7. BYU’s first losing season in 30 years. They scored 272 points (22.7/game).

2003: BYU went 4-8. They scored 196 points (16.3/game). They didn’t score a point in the game versus Utah, the first time they went scoreless in a game in my lifetime.

2004: BYU went 5-6. They 267 points (24.3/game).
BYU went from scoring 608 points in 2001 to a low of 196 points in 2003! This was against average teams in the Mountain West Conference. He was the head coach and offensive coordinator at BYU.

Oregon

2005: Oregon went 10-2. They scored 414 points (34.5/game).

2006: Oregon went 7-6, losing their last 4. They scored 383 points (29.5/game).

There you have it. The only year he improved upon his previous year while at the same program was 2004. BYU couldn’t have gotten any worse after a terrible year in 2003.

The truth is Gary Crowton has a good offense. But smart teams are going to figure it out. Guess who was coaching Utah when BYU went scoreless in 2003-Urban Meyer. Most of the coaches in the SEC are almost as smart as Urban and they will shut down LSU’s offense. LSU has great athletes and he will find a way to make them look bad.

[bmy-]

Thus far for LSU..

2007: 37 PPG
2008: 30 PPG
2009: 23 PPG

[Bayou Tiger]

Originally Posted by bmy-

Thus far for LSU..

2007: 37 PPG
2008: 30 PPG
2009: 23 PPG

Yes, that read was very prophetic. I started a thread on it but it was whacked.

[houtiger]

Originally Posted by bmy-

Thus far for LSU..

2007: 37 PPG -
2008: 30 PPG
2009: 23 PPG

2007: 37 PPG - 5th yr sr Matt Flynn
2008: 30 PPG - Redshirt Frosh Jarrett Lee
2009: 23 PPG - True soph Jordan Jefferson

There is good info above about Crowton, and he may have a problem. There are other things going on, and Crowton did not produce this problem we have with the most experienced QB on the team being a true sophmore. If they (the QB's) don't possess a LOT of talent at that age, it can be hard to play in the SEC, and we have paid a price the last 2 seasons for leaving the cupboard barren of an experienced upperclassman signal caller.

[BAY0U BENGAL]

Originally Posted by Bayou Tiger

Yes, that read was very prophetic. I started a thread on it but it was whacked.

factors factor factors. I didn't read that thread because fingerpointing is stupid. however, Lee last year was our opposition's best player.... remember that.

[Nutriaitch]

Originally Posted by bmy-

Josh (poster of the article) says:
January 8, 2008 at 1:57 pm
You’re right Lance. LSU looked great last night [against Ohio State]. I mentioned they would do well this year. It would be nice to see them up against USC though. Now about halfway through next season you will see LSU start losing games, if history repeats itself.

a couple more comments after the article:

David says: August 14, 2008 at 11:42 am
As an Oregon fan I can say the biggest problem that I had with Crowton was his inability to design plays to get to the playmakers on the team. He had a set group of plays he liked to call, and he would call them no matter what. He couldn’t seem to recognize a players strength, and adjust his play calling to match. That in my opinion is huge in college football because you are dealing with young players who are continuously growing and changing from the time you sign them to the time they leave your program.

Phil says: August 23, 2008 at 11:49 am
Just wait till Gary has to develop his own QB, you LSU fans will forget that national championship faster than you can say “3 years of rebuilding”

hate bashing coaches, but this sounds like all the things some people are blaming on Les Miles

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by houtiger

If they (the QB's) don't possess a LOT of talent at that age, it can be hard to play in the SEC, and we have paid a price the last 2 seasons for leaving the cupboard barren of an experienced upperclassman signal caller.

One of the main issues right now is the lack of QB progress.. they aren't developing and he's the QB coach.

I may have been completely off about Miles.. and completely off about Crowton.

[BAY0U BENGAL]

Originally Posted by bmy-

I may have been completely off about Miles.. and completely off about Crowton.

The dark side is lonely

I'm just poking fun. It does sound like Crowton is stubborn. Or scared to try new things. Don't replace... fix

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by BAY0U BENGAL

The dark side is lonely

I'm just poking fun. It does sound like Crowton is stubborn. Or scared to try new things. Don't replace... fix

I was completely off about someone that's for sure Remains to be seen who, lmao.

[Bayou Tiger]

Originally Posted by Nutriaitch

hate bashing coaches, but this sounds like all the things some people are blaming on Les Miles

Ultimately it's the head honcho who shoulders the brunt of the responsibility. This is true in the business world too. Sometimes there are scapegoats (Malvetto) but often it's the one at the top who catches the heat.

Originally Posted by BAY0U BENGAL

factors factor factors. I didn't read that thread because fingerpointing is stupid. however, Lee last year was our opposition's best player.... remember that.

That could have been said when the guy wrote those things two years ago but when the pattern is established using THREE, count 'em, three different programs it's makes Gary very scary.

At this point in time, when you have things to support the finger-pointing it's called a case. Folks get sent to prison everyday from finger-pointing. I try not to do that cause I got sent to the office for pointing a finger, once.

[BAY0U BENGAL]

Originally Posted by Bayou Tiger

At this point in time, when you have things to support the finger-pointing it's called a case. Folks get sent to prison everyday from finger-pointing. I try not to do that cause I got sent to the office for pointing a finger, once.

Yeah, true. Phuck the details, I guess. Sorry you got in trouble yesterday

[Nutriaitch]

Originally Posted by Bayou Tiger

Ultimately it's the head honcho who shoulders the brunt of the responsibility.

correct

oh, and Crowton just got a raise too.

[Bayou Tiger]

Originally Posted by BAY0U BENGAL

Yeah, true. Phuck the details, I guess. Sorry you got in trouble yesterday

Then why'd you tell the teacher on me? Hey, and watch U moff R I'll tell back on U. lol

Originally Posted by Nutriaitch

correct

oh, and Crowton just got a raise too.

"Too" but still not close to what the head honcho rakes in and why the top guy gets the big bucks.

Enough for the Civics lesson day, I had to take it twice so I shouldn't be preaching on it.

[Nutriaitch]

Originally Posted by Bayou Tiger

"Too" but still not close to what the head honcho rakes in and why the top guy gets the big bucks.

wasn't meant as a continuation of the head honcho thing.

just found it funny that this thread pops up a couple days after LSU announces their boosting GCs salary