Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident

gumborue · 03-09-2010, 02:35 PM

i dont think anyone should be able to diminish your ability to make money without cause.

LaSalleAve · 03-09-2010, 02:37 PM

When Miles lets 26 other players off for getting arrested then this can be a story.

Krypto · 03-09-2010, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

i dont think anyone should be able to diminish your ability to make money without cause.

There is cause. The player agreed to follow the rules when he signs up, if he does not, then HE violates the contract therefore diminished his own ability to make money.

LEGACY TIGER · 03-09-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

i dont think anyone should be able to diminish your ability to make money without cause.

Correct, and this works in reverse as well. The players have no right to diminish the schools ability to make money. Should players not be held to a standard and expected to abide by those rules, you could end up with a bunch of undisciplined athletes who, not only are a poor representation of the university off the field, but also athletes that lack discipline on the field. Which could end up resulting in, what I will call the U of M thug cycle, a downward spiral of revenues for the program. Which is every bit as a cause to make sure these kids stay on the straight and narrow.

Also, just for the record NFL teams do pay attention to the on/off the field behavior of these athletes. I know that I have heard somewhere of some college athletes that are a risk in the draft because of their problems in college. So, I would think that college athletes actually could end up benefiting from the discipline handed down by college coaches.

bhelmLSU · 03-09-2010, 04:40 PM

Toliver has a broken hand because of the incident so I guess he is missing some practice anyway.

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-09-2010, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bhelmLSU

Toliver has a broken hand because of the incident so I guess he is missing some practice anyway.

damn! he need to run till he drops. daily. if booze played a part in this, he needs to sweat out every last molecule!

bhelmLSU · 03-09-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OkieTiger_KATT

damn! he need to run till he drops. daily. if booze played a part in this, he needs to sweat out every last molecule!

Correction, he will not miss any practice and is on extra running and push up duty.

SabanFan · 03-09-2010, 05:24 PM

BREAKING NEWS: Toliver Speaks of Incident

downtown · 03-09-2010, 05:36 PM

He broke his hand too in the incident. That probably won't help us that much.

DRC · 03-09-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

the coaches have no right to tell players where not to go or when to go to sleep.

Yes they do! When you accept a scholarship you are bound by the rules of those who represent the body you accepted the scholarship from, in this case its the coaches. They have EVERY right to completely and totally dictate what the players do, when they do it and who they do it with. If they dont want the scholarship they can do as they please but as long as they are getting compensated (in the form of FREE education and benefits) they are bound by whatever the representative of their donor demands.

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Originally Posted by Swerved

So do the coaches have the right to tell them what to do? No, but they certainly have the power.

You sign a contract you are bound. All these players signed contracts when they accepted a scholarship. They are clearly bound by what the coaches determine the rules to be.

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Originally Posted by gumborue

i dont think anyone should be able to diminish your ability to make money without cause.

Then go pro. Other then that they are bound by the rules of their donor....coaches.

onesharpdude · 03-09-2010, 06:39 PM

Rusty Domingue was a good egg as well.

BAY0U BENGAL · 03-09-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SabanFan

BREAKING NEWS: Toliver Speaks of Incident

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But, Terrence Toliver is a good person and we will get by this.”

I believe this.

BAY0U BENGAL · 03-09-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

the coaches have no right to tell players where not to go or when to go to sleep. they can tell them when to be somewhere but these players are not minors and coaches are not their parents.

It's called discipline. Which is why some parents urge their kids to lean harder toward one school as opposed to another, in some cases. If you don't have it, your name is Lane Kiffin.

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Originally Posted by Bandit88

Team rules. Sometimes, they include things like curfews and off-limits locations. Coaches have every right. Team membership is not a right - it's a priveledge. Coaches can cut, hire, fire, promote and bench.

Not sure where you get the notion that coaches are just there to teach X's and O's and accept whatever the players decide to do otherwise. This isn't the NFL. Hell, in a good NFL locker room, you statement is not even true - because there it's called a contract...

Very well put.

pjnchamps · 03-09-2010, 08:48 PM

Very nice and mature for TT to apologize really didnt have to come out and do that. Also hope he has a great year this season.

lsudolemite · 03-09-2010, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pjnchamps

Very nice and mature for TT to apologize really didnt have to come out and do that. Also hope he has a great year this season.

Yup, what's done is done. Hopefully the lesson sunk in for him, and at least for now it looks like it has. Time to look forward to the upcoming season.

Bandit88 · 03-09-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pjnchamps

Very nice and mature for TT to apologize really didnt have to come out and do that. Also hope he has a great year this season.

I thought it was exactly on target as well. I hope he burns it up.

Reminded me of that women's basketball player who clubbed another player, then gave a very well stated apology earlier in the week. Very good.

TheDude · 03-09-2010, 10:07 PM

Well now apparently Toliver has a broken hand. Maybe someone else has posted this.

But apparently Miles is cutting him no slack...

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Miles said Toliver’s hand will not be an excuse for any poor practices.

“We’ll throw him balls when the read dictates, and he’ll have to catch it,” Miles said. “If he doesn’t catch it, we’re going to bark at him. He’s going to have to block with it. I didn’t break it. He did.”

Daily Reveille - Football: Toliver misses practice Tuesday with broken left hand

Bandit88 · 03-09-2010, 10:11 PM

From that comment, I would assume it's a "minor" break that will heal over time while being taped. I was honestly envisioning something a bit more serious.

Jefferson, Lee and Garrett throw pretty damned hard at times....he's probably going to be reminded of Fred's parking lot at least a few times every practice.

Miles doesn't usually say this much, so he must be very comfortable that TT won't be making this mistake again. I'm more accustomed to Miles' coach-speak on these things.

TheDude · 03-09-2010, 10:14 PM

Video of Toliver's apology and Miles' statement afterwards...

Daily Reveille - Video: Toliver apologizes, Miles talks player's arrest

bmy- · 03-09-2010, 10:49 PM

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Miles said Toliver’s hand will not be an excuse for any poor practices.

“We’ll throw him balls when the read dictates, and he’ll have to catch it,” Miles said. “If he doesn’t catch it, we’re going to bark at him. He’s going to have to block with it. I didn’t break it. He did.”

Damn, that's what I like to hear.

OkieTiger_KATT · 03-10-2010, 06:40 AM

there is no way miles would jeopardize a players health, so he likely got the dr's go ahead for what all he can make tt do. and will make him do so much his ass is draggin and he doesnt have the energy to think about even going to a bar.

i hope this gets the attention of everyone else on the team.

gumborue · 03-10-2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Krypto

There is cause. The player agreed to follow the rules when he signs up, if he does not, then HE violates the contract therefore diminished his own ability to make money.

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Originally Posted by LEGACY TIGER

[FONT=Lucida Sans]Correct, and this works in reverse as well. The players have no right to diminish the schools ability to make money. Should players not be held to a standard and expected to abide by those rules, you could end up with a bunch of undisciplined athletes who, not only are a poor representation of the university off the field, but also athletes that lack discipline on the field.

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Originally Posted by DRC

Yes they do! When you accept a scholarship you are bound by the rules of those who represent the body you accepted the scholarship from, in this case its the coaches. They have EVERY right to completely and totally dictate what the players do, when they do it and who they do it with. If they dont want the scholarship they can do as they please but as long as they are getting compensated (in the form of FREE education and benefits) they are bound by whatever the representative of their donor demands.

You sign a contract you are bound. All these players signed contracts when they accepted a scholarship. They are clearly bound by what the coaches determine the rules to be.

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Originally Posted by BAY0U BENGAL

It's called discipline.

you cannot sign away your rights. a contract or a sign posted cannot make law, it can only explain the law.

the courts decide cause. that is where the rubber meets the road.

i would guess that certainly breaking your hand in a fight, or getting arrested and possibly receiving a citation is cause, but i wouldnt expect staying up late to be cause.

LEGACY TIGER · 03-10-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

you cannot sign away your rights. a contract or a sign posted cannot make law, it can only explain the law.

the courts decide cause. that is where the rubber meets the road.

i would guess that certainly breaking your hand in a fight, or getting arrested and possibly receiving a citation is cause, but i wouldnt expect staying up late to be cause.

When it comes to student athletes and even college students for that matter, in regards to the regulations and policies of the school the coaches and administration is the LAW.

gumborue · 03-10-2010, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by LEGACY TIGER

When it comes to student athletes and even college students for that matter, in regards to the regulations and policies of the school the coaches and administration is the LAW.

bs. you really think lsu can expel a student for being at a bar at 2 am?

LaSalleAve · 03-10-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gumborue

bs. you really think lsu can expel a student for being at a bar at 2 am?

i don't think they can expel him for that, but he can sure get kicked off the team and lose his scholly if it is against team rules. At least i would think that would be the case.

03-09-2010, 02:35 PM	#51
gumborue Blind Faith Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Stafford, Va Posts: 8,973	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident i dont think anyone should be able to diminish your ability to make money without cause. __________________ "The income gap between the rich and the rest of the US population has become so wide, and is growing so fast, that it might eventually threaten the stability of democratic capitalism itself"--Alan Greenspan

03-09-2010, 02:37 PM	#52
LaSalleAve N.O.R.M.L. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: within the confines of my own screwed up mind. Posts: 7,114	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident When Miles lets 26 other players off for getting arrested then this can be a story.

03-09-2010, 04:40 PM	#55
bhelmLSU Toying With Denver Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 11,738	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident Toliver has a broken hand because of the incident so I guess he is missing some practice anyway. __________________ ................................... "Nothing's more annoying than someone asking a political question during a sporting event. It's not just impolite, it's criminal. If Les Miles goes 5-for-5 in fourth-down conversions, I don't care who he votes for." James Carville

03-09-2010, 05:24 PM	#58
SabanFan The voice of reason Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Breaux Bridge, LA Posts: 20,807	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident BREAKING NEWS: Toliver Speaks of Incident __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

03-09-2010, 05:36 PM	#59
downtown Registered Guest Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: new orleans Posts: 768	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident He broke his hand too in the incident. That probably won't help us that much.

03-09-2010, 06:39 PM	#61
onesharpdude Registered Guest Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident Rusty Domingue was a good egg as well.

03-09-2010, 08:48 PM	#64
pjnchamps Registered Guest Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 3,891	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident Very nice and mature for TT to apologize really didnt have to come out and do that. Also hope he has a great year this season. __________________

03-09-2010, 10:11 PM	#68
Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,984	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident From that comment, I would assume it's a "minor" break that will heal over time while being taped. I was honestly envisioning something a bit more serious. Jefferson, Lee and Garrett throw pretty damned hard at times....he's probably going to be reminded of Fred's parking lot at least a few times every practice. Miles doesn't usually say this much, so he must be very comfortable that TT won't be making this mistake again. I'm more accustomed to Miles' coach-speak on these things. __________________ *"I have a fairly strong feeling that his career for the most part will be wasted at LSU."* Forum member discussing Russell Shepard's future at LSU, January 26, 2009. http://lsutigerbait.blogspot.com

03-09-2010, 10:14 PM	#69
TheDude I'm calmer than you. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Houston, Tx. Posts: 4,015	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident Video of Toliver's apology and Miles' statement afterwards... Daily Reveille - Video: Toliver apologizes, Miles talks player's arrest __________________ I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That, or Duder. His Dudeness. Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing...

03-10-2010, 06:40 AM	#71
OkieTiger_KATT use your imagination Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a sea of freakin' crimson and cream. Posts: 14,481	Re: Terrance Toliver and Dennis Harris Incident there is no way miles would jeopardize a players health, so he likely got the dr's go ahead for what all he can make tt do. and will make him do so much his ass is draggin and he doesnt have the energy to think about even going to a bar. i hope this gets the attention of everyone else on the team. __________________

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