LSU v Southern Football

Krypto · 03-09-2010, 11:22 AM

On wafb or wbrz last night, they had an interview with Stump Mitchell (Southern FB Coach) and they asked him about playing LSU. He said he was game to do it in a couple (2-3) of years. I looked for the link but i could not find the video.

So here is the question, Do you think LSU should play Southern? Will it "bring together" or "tear apart" Baton Rouge?

LaSalleAve · 03-09-2010, 11:33 AM

i voted No, but if we are playing Northwestern State University, whats the difference. Personally i don't think any team should be allowed to schedule cupcakes.

On the other hand, it would give Southern a nice payout, and keep some money that would go to a place like UAB or Southern Miss, in Baton Rouge.

Maybe i shouldn't have voted no, because i am on the fence.

LSUTyga73 · 03-09-2010, 11:37 AM

I voted yes because it would be fun and everyone would understand. It's an in town rivalry and I'm sure Southern would want to see how they stand against a team like LSU. Only if we have another big OOC team on the schedule though.

LSUMASTERMIND · 03-09-2010, 11:38 AM

I voted no, whats the point. The talent mostly is in two different worlds.

Krypto · 03-09-2010, 11:39 AM

We have McNeese State and UL-Monroe on the books this year. Is playing Southern any worse that playing Div 1-AA McNeese?

Krypto · 03-09-2010, 11:40 AM

I get that MM. But once again, the talent difference between McNeese St and LSU is different worlds too? Why not keep it in town?

red55 · 03-09-2010, 11:45 AM

We've played Southern in baseball and basketball and we play other smaller Louisiana schools from time to time, its good local PR and politics for LSU. I don't want them for a traditional opponent but it is almost inevitable that we will play someday. But basketball and baseball have lots of games. Southern is understandably not all that wild about adding a sure loss to their 12-game football schedule. They are unlikely to ever win local bragging rights, there ain't a lot of upside for them, and as long as they fill their stadium, they don't need to become a rent-a-win team.

Right now Baton Rouge has two big fish in two big ponds. A one-pond town becomes a one big fish town.

kcal · 03-09-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Krypto

I get that MM. But once again, the talent different between McNeese St and LSU is different worlds too? Why not keep it in town?

this

LSUsupaFan · 03-09-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Krypto

I get that MM. But once again, the talent difference between McNeese St and LSU is different worlds too? Why not keep it in town?

The I-AA teams are generally worlds better than the HBCUs in I-AA. It is why the HBCUs don't even send teams to the I-AA playoffs.

LSUMASTERMIND · 03-09-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Krypto

I get that MM. But once again, the talent difference between McNeese St and LSU is different worlds too? Why not keep it in town?

i dont think we should play those two either, not even for homecoming.
If we are going to play so called cupcakes, why not play teams like Kansas St, Colorado, Wake Forest, or NC State. Teams that are in the big conferences, but not considered powerhouses.

pharpe · 03-09-2010, 11:53 AM

LSU should never play a non I-A school during the regular season period.

I think it would be cool if LSU and Southern scrimmaged each other for the Spring Game in TS and split the proceeds.

LSUMASTERMIND · 03-09-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pharpe

LSU should never play a non I-A school during the regular season period.

I think it would be cool if LSU and Southern scrimmaged each other for the Spring Game in TS and split the proceeds.

thats a better idea right there.

red55 · 03-09-2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pharpe

LSU should never play a non I-A school during the regular season period.

It would be nice . . . but LSU has to have a 7 or 8 game home season to make a profit. You can't do that without scheduling teams that don't insist on a home and home arrangement. Those teams are in I-AA.

PURPLE TIGER · 03-09-2010, 12:05 PM

No. I don't see the benefit for either team and as a paying fan...I surely won't get excited about playing Southern.

I'm not a fan of the pressure LSU receives to play in-state schools. We don't receive state funding for sports so I don't believe politics should be involved.

How many hotel rooms will be booked for that weekend? I would assume occupancy would be quite low. I would also expect another game where the stadium would be empty by the end of the third quarter.

What are the chances the game would be covered by any sports channel? "0"

If at some point they end up on our schedule I hope it's to replace another Louisiana school. I don't like playing more than one in-state school per season.

We finally got rid on Tulane. I don't want an annual tradition of playing 2-3 in-state schools each year. BORING!

What would be the highlight?...watching a band who can play music versus a band who can dance?

PURPLE TIGER · 03-09-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pharpe

I think it would be cool if LSU and Southern scrimmaged each other for the Spring Game in TS and split the proceeds.

I'm not sure if it's allowable under NCAA rules...but I like it.

Krypto · 03-09-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by red55

It would be nice . . . but LSU has to have a 7 or 8 game home season to make a profit. You can't do that without scheduling teams that don't insist on a home and home arrangement. Those teams are in I-AA.

I love home games so the more the merrier, But...

In Pictures: College Football's 20 Most Valuable Teams - 7. Louisiana State Tigers - Forbes.com

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7. Louisiana State Tigers

Team Value: $86 million
Profit: $39 million
Head Coach: Les Miles
Conference: Southeastern
Previous Value Rank: 6
Baton Rouge, La., Metro Population: 774,327
Each Tigers home game weekend generates an estimated $8.2 million in direct spending by visitors to East Baton Rouge Parish.

1 game does not bankrupt the program. Scheduling a home and away series won't break the bank. dump one of the Louisiana schools and get a decent BCS/mid major series.

On a side note, Is the North Carolina game in the Georgia Dome supposed to be considered a home game for us?

LEGACY TIGER · 03-09-2010, 12:29 PM

You are correct, in that 1 game will not break the bank, but what is interesting in that ranking is that we dropped from 6th to 7th. A fact that I am sure the big decision makers are keeping a close eye on.

asignupe99 · 03-09-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PURPLE TIGER

What would be the highlight?...watching a band who can play music versus a band who can dance?

So now Southern's band can't play music? Riiiigggghhhht....

Don't let the dancing hide the FACT that SU's band are highly talented MUSICALLY. Hence the numerous inauguration invites where the dancing is prohibited.

What a BS assumption...

Swerved · 03-09-2010, 01:20 PM

I voted no, but only because there was no answer like "depends on.."

In the regular season, no I don't think they should play eachother. The reason being strength of schedule. Of course, McNeese is also a 1-AA school (or whatever they call it these days), but I don't like us playing them either. Thank goodness we have WVU and NC to play or our OOC schedule would be extremely laughable.

Now... if they could play in some sort of "exhibition" game, that would be cool. I'm sure the NCAA has something in place to prevent something like this from ever happening outside of the normal season though. I could be mistaken, but I don't recall any other teams being able to play another team in the spring or any other time outside of football season or bowl season.

asignupe99 · 03-09-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LSUsupaFan

The I-AA teams are generally worlds better than the HBCUs in I-AA. It is why the HBCUs don't even send teams to the I-AA playoffs.

That's not true either. It's economics, not ability. Case in point, both Southern and Grambling play Louisiana schools that are playoff participants and the games are competitive, with Southern and Grambling winning frequently. With the popularity and monetary support of HBCU football, some of the schools make more money NOT going to the playoffs.

Southern and Grambling are pretty much the only HBCU's that will never participate in the I-AA playoffs because the Bayou Classic falls on the first week of the I-AA playoffs. The loss of proceeds from the Classic are not worth the occasional chance that either team will advance. I remember a study years ago that concluded that both teams would have to play through the entire I-AA playoffs and make it to the championship game to make up what both schools make for the Classic.

The decline of HBCU football has lead to less participation in the playoffs because unlike ten years ago, very few, if any, HBCU's were ranked nationally. During the late 90's, SU was consistently ranked in the I-AA top 25, as was FAMU, Hampton, and a few others. I was at SU during the 90's and HBCU's were well represented in the playoffs during that time, with FAMU making a few deep trips into the playoffs. It's a good sign for college football as a whole because as we all know the HBCU's used to be the only option for black athletes. Now that black athletes make up the majority of many major programs, HBCU's logically suffer. I'm an alumnus and I'm fine with that on several levels.

pharpe · 03-09-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by red55

It would be nice . . . but LSU has to have a 7 or 8 game home season to make a profit. You can't do that without scheduling teams that don't insist on a home and home arrangement. Those teams are in I-AA.

There are plenty of I-A rent a win schools. USL, UML, MTS, etc. No need to do a home and home to stay in I-A.

Lil Jules · 03-09-2010, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pharpe

There are plenty of I-A rent a win schools. USL, UML, MTS, etc. No need to do a home and home to stay in I-A.

The price tag varies on those rent-a-wins. I-AA schools obviously come much cheaper.

Bandit88 · 03-09-2010, 03:58 PM

Outside of "keep it local" arguments, which don't hold water for me, I don't see the upside. It's all downside. I understand why LSU has to schedule these schools - like McNeese State, for crying out loud - but it's an opinion poll, and my opinion is:

No thanks.

LEGACY TIGER · 03-09-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit88

Outside of "keep it local" arguments, which don't hold water for me, I don't see the upside. It's all downside. I understand why LSU has to schedule these schools - like McNeese State, for crying out loud - but it's an opinion poll, and my opinion is:

No thanks.

Sooooooo, I guess there is no changing your mind.

PURPLE TIGER · 03-09-2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by asignupe99

So now Southern's band can't play music? Riiiigggghhhht....

Don't let the dancing hide the FACT that SU's band are highly talented MUSICALLY. Hence the numerous inauguration invites where the dancing is prohibited.

What a BS assumption...

BS assumption? The only BS assumption is what YOU read into the comment.

Plain and simple...I don't want to play Southern...period. Their band would definitely be more enjoyable than watching their football team.

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03-09-2010, 11:22 AM	#1
Krypto Huh? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 3,619	LSU v Southern Football On wafb or wbrz last night, they had an interview with Stump Mitchell (Southern FB Coach) and they asked him about playing LSU. He said he was game to do it in a couple (2-3) of years. I looked for the link but i could not find the video. So here is the question, Do you think LSU should play Southern? Will it "bring together" or "tear apart" Baton Rouge? __________________ In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. - Thomas Jefferson

03-09-2010, 11:33 AM	#2
LaSalleAve N.O.R.M.L. Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: within the confines of my own screwed up mind. Posts: 7,114	Re: LSU v Southern Football i voted No, but if we are playing Northwestern State University, whats the difference. Personally i don't think any team should be allowed to schedule cupcakes. On the other hand, it would give Southern a nice payout, and keep some money that would go to a place like UAB or Southern Miss, in Baton Rouge. Maybe i shouldn't have voted no, because i am on the fence.

03-09-2010, 11:37 AM	#3
LSUTyga73 Registered Guest Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toledo, Ohio/Baton Rouge/Monroe, LA Posts: 2,003	Re: LSU v Southern Football I voted yes because it would be fun and everyone would understand. It's an in town rivalry and I'm sure Southern would want to see how they stand against a team like LSU. Only if we have another big OOC team on the schedule though.

03-09-2010, 11:38 AM	#4
LSUMASTERMIND Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 7,866	Re: LSU v Southern Football I voted no, whats the point. The talent mostly is in two different worlds.

03-09-2010, 11:39 AM	#5
Krypto Huh? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 3,619	Re: LSU v Southern Football We have McNeese State and UL-Monroe on the books this year. Is playing Southern any worse that playing Div 1-AA McNeese? __________________ In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. - Thomas Jefferson

03-09-2010, 11:40 AM	#6
Krypto Huh? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 3,619	Re: LSU v Southern Football I get that MM. But once again, the talent difference between McNeese St and LSU is different worlds too? Why not keep it in town? __________________ In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. - Thomas Jefferson

03-09-2010, 11:45 AM	#7
red55 curmudgeon Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 22,775	Re: LSU v Southern Football We've played Southern in baseball and basketball and we play other smaller Louisiana schools from time to time, its good local PR and politics for LSU. I don't want them for a traditional opponent but it is almost inevitable that we will play someday. But basketball and baseball have lots of games. Southern is understandably not all that wild about adding a sure loss to their 12-game football schedule. They are unlikely to ever win local bragging rights, there ain't a lot of upside for them, and as long as they fill their stadium, they don't need to become a rent-a-win team. Right now Baton Rouge has two big fish in two big ponds. A one-pond town becomes a one big fish town. __________________ "Half of the American people have never read a newspaper. Half never voted for President. One hopes it is the same half." -- Gore Vidal

03-09-2010, 11:53 AM	#11
pharpe Pow! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,080	Re: LSU v Southern Football LSU should never play a non I-A school during the regular season period. I think it would be cool if LSU and Southern scrimmaged each other for the Spring Game in TS and split the proceeds.

03-09-2010, 12:05 PM	#14
PURPLE TIGER HOPE is not a strategy! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Slidell, Louisiana Posts: 5,144	Re: LSU v Southern Football No. I don't see the benefit for either team and as a paying fan...I surely won't get excited about playing Southern. I'm not a fan of the pressure LSU receives to play in-state schools. We don't receive state funding for sports so I don't believe politics should be involved. How many hotel rooms will be booked for that weekend? I would assume occupancy would be quite low. I would also expect another game where the stadium would be empty by the end of the third quarter. What are the chances the game would be covered by any sports channel? "0" If at some point they end up on our schedule I hope it's to replace another Louisiana school. I don't like playing more than one in-state school per season. We finally got rid on Tulane. I don't want an annual tradition of playing 2-3 in-state schools each year. BORING! What would be the highlight?...watching a band who can play music versus a band who can dance? __________________

03-09-2010, 12:29 PM	#17
LEGACY TIGER "What did the bird say?" Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 2,507	Re: LSU v Southern Football You are correct, in that 1 game will not break the bank, but what is interesting in that ranking is that we dropped from 6th to 7th. A fact that I am sure the big decision makers are keeping a close eye on. __________________ "This is the day that you will remember as the day you almost captured Capt Jack Sparrow"

03-09-2010, 01:20 PM	#19
Swerved Schrödinger's cat is dead Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 2,434	Re: LSU v Southern Football I voted no, but only because there was no answer like "depends on.." In the regular season, no I don't think they should play eachother. The reason being strength of schedule. Of course, McNeese is also a 1-AA school (or whatever they call it these days), but I don't like us playing them either. Thank goodness we have WVU and NC to play or our OOC schedule would be extremely laughable. Now... if they could play in some sort of "exhibition" game, that would be cool. I'm sure the NCAA has something in place to prevent something like this from ever happening outside of the normal season though. I could be mistaken, but I don't recall any other teams being able to play another team in the spring or any other time outside of football season or bowl season. __________________ “In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and been widely regarded as a bad move."

03-09-2010, 03:58 PM	#23
Bandit88 Old Enough to Know Better Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,984	Re: LSU v Southern Football Outside of "keep it local" arguments, which don't hold water for me, I don't see the upside. It's all downside. I understand why LSU has to schedule these schools - like McNeese State, for crying out loud - but it's an opinion poll, and my opinion is: No thanks. __________________ *"I have a fairly strong feeling that his career for the most part will be wasted at LSU."* Forum member discussing Russell Shepard's future at LSU, January 26, 2009. http://lsutigerbait.blogspot.com

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